"When you have eliminated the impossible..."

[Phily B]

My biggest regret in this film was defo the lack of references which made me giddy - Mourn at the bar instead of that Mourn look a like for example. Don't go out of your way to put shit in JJ, but if there is a chance? Hell yes, put something only semi-hardcore fans would notice. Just keep Enterprise out of it please...

 

[The Wormhole]

Together with all the other rip off lines from the previous shows, "Are you out of your Vulcan mind", "Greenblooded hobgoblin", "I'm giving yer everything she's got, Captain!", "I have been and always shall be your friend", this line added to the impression that they were playing only caricatures of the originals, and not self-supporting characters.

It's called a homage.

I actually have to agree that Nimoy Spock saying "I have been and always shall be your friend" was lame and cringeworthy. Especially since I predicted it would be used in the film.

 

[Biggshow]

I loved this nod to Spock from Star Trek VI...in fact I appreciated all those little gems they threw in for Star Trek fans, and I'm sure I missed a few I'll find later. Well done.

I liked that in VI, he says that it was an ancestor of his who said it, which is actually Sherlock Holmes.

Which the director, Nick Meyer authored a book about; remember The Seven-Percent Solution?

I also feel a need to point out that previous to STVI, Leonard Nimoy played Sherlock Holmes in a revival of the William Gillette play.

 

[Greg Cox]

Together with all the other rip off lines from the previous shows, "Are you out of your Vulcan mind", "Greenblooded hobgoblin", "I'm giving yer everything she's got, Captain!", "I have been and always shall be your friend", this line added to the impression that they were playing only caricatures of the originals, and not self-supporting characters.

It's called a homage.

I actually have to agree that Nimoy Spock saying "I have been and always shall be your friend" was lame and cringeworthy. Especially since I predicted it would be used in the film.

On other hand, I loved that moment, which I found very nostalgic and touching. Which just goes to show why these things are judgment calls. There's no way to please everybody . . . .

 

[Kelso]

I actually have to agree that Nimoy Spock saying "I have been and always shall be your friend" was lame and cringeworthy. Especially since I predicted it would be used in the film.

He said that in response to Kirk's question, "How do you know my name?"

Seems like the logical response... and, as Mr. Cox noted, it was touching and nostalgic (entirely appropriate, as Spock was reuniting with his dead friend).

 

[Voyagerian]

I happened to have liked that line very much, as I once again heard it in my first home-viewing of the film. I also think it very fitting, as here, in the midst of his grief over Vulcan, and regret over his failure to save Romulus, of all the people in the universe...here was the face of his dearest friend-his brother-whom he had not seen since before Kirk's death in 2294- so completely unexpected...and so welcome. Spock was no doubt all in a moment, recalling everything they had accomplished together, and meant to one another...

 

[Gojira]

Together with all the other rip off lines from the previous shows, "Are you out of your Vulcan mind", "Greenblooded hobgoblin", "I'm giving yer everything she's got, Captain!", "I have been and always shall be your friend", this line added to the impression that they were playing only caricatures of the originals, and not self-supporting characters.

It's called a homage.

I actually have to agree that Nimoy Spock saying "I have been and always shall be your friend" was lame and cringeworthy. Especially since I predicted it would be used in the film.

At first i too cringed at that line, but after a few more viewings I can see it in the context in which it was used. Kirk asked old Spock how do you know me? Spock's reply was a nice homage to his friend (to old Spock Kirk had been dead for decades) and clue to young Kirk how in the future they would become close fiends.

 

[freak]

I liked those nods as well..but didn't notice them UNTIL I bought the DVD and actually watched the movie again! :O I didn't notice those nods @ the theater. And the fighting scene DID remind me of the scene in ST:III between Kirk and the Klingon captain. It was very eerie! But I actually liked Abram's Trek better than our actual storyline. It's darker..but friendly.

 

[KottenFutz]

I liked the use of the Beastie Boys song "Sabotage", not only was it part of a key line of dialog in Star Trek IV, but also there's a fairly famous recording of William Shatner mispronouncing the word sabotage during a recording session for a Trek video game, and getting into an argument about it with the recording engineer... lovely !!

Plus, the Beastie Boys are huge Trek fans and often make references to the show in their songs and videos.

And we just know that rebelious kids love to blast 300-year-old songs and rebelious, party-loving, drunk adults and military personell love listening to 300-year-old songs in bars too.

I know whenever I go to the local pub it's blasting and people are rocking and getting drunk to Mozart.

But if you think about it... "classical" music was and stayed popular for 300 years or more, rock music may have the same staying power, and still remain popular for longer than you might think. In the case of Trek: it could be good old fasioned Earth nostalgia that keeps rock going, in a world full of visiting aliens and all their cultural baggage. Humans may cling to the last 200 some years of familiar Earth culture for comfort. Cochrane banged out classic rock tunes as well, and his era was devestated by war, probally nothing new in the juke for a while, so rock stays in the picture.

 

[Shazam!]

It's called a homage.

I actually have to agree that Nimoy Spock saying "I have been and always shall be your friend" was lame and cringeworthy. Especially since I predicted it would be used in the film.

At first i too cringed at that line, but after a few more viewings I can see it in the context in which it was used. Kirk asked old Spock how do you know me? Spock's reply was a nice homage to his friend (to old Spock Kirk had been dead for decades) and clue to young Kirk how in the future they would become close fiends.

Eh? Young Kirk would have no idea why he said it so why is it a 'clue'?

 

[Captain59]

I actually have to agree that Nimoy Spock saying "I have been and always shall be your friend" was lame and cringeworthy. Especially since I predicted it would be used in the film.

At first i too cringed at that line, but after a few more viewings I can see it in the context in which it was used. Kirk asked old Spock how do you know me? Spock's reply was a nice homage to his friend (to old Spock Kirk had been dead for decades) and clue to young Kirk how in the future they would become close fiends.

Eh? Young Kirk would have no idea why he said it so why is it a 'clue'?

The words themselves give a clue they will be friends in the future.

 

[Shazam!]

How?

 

[Classic Fan]

I actually have to agree that Nimoy Spock saying "I have been and always shall be your friend" was lame and cringeworthy. Especially since I predicted it would be used in the film.

He said that in response to Kirk's question, "How do you know my name?"

Seems like the logical response... and, as Mr. Cox noted, it was touching and nostalgic (entirely appropriate, as Spock was reuniting with his dead friend).

Agreed. As much as i expected this line, and also the "When you have eliminated the impossible..." line, i felt it was in the wrong place. Besides, Kirk asked who he was and Spock replied as if Kirk would recognise him. Would you recognise your grandfather if he was 19 and you hadnt seen a picture of him that young? I wouldnt.

I thought the line wouldve worked better as he is seeing Kirk off for the final time, its the last time he will see Kirk (in the movie at least) so i tohught it wouldve been a better farewell line.

Still great to hear them though. The way Nimoy read the lines with so much emotion behind it, i thought Spock would actually shed a tear.

 

[The Castellan]

I loved this nod to Spock from Star Trek VI...in fact I appreciated all those little gems they threw in for Star Trek fans, and I'm sure I missed a few I'll find later. Well done.

I liked that in VI, he says that it was an ancestor of his who said it, which is actually Sherlock Holmes.

Well, if someone said Shakespere could have been a Klingon, I could see Mr. Holmes be a Vulcan.

 

[The Castellan]

I liked the use of the Beastie Boys song "Sabotage", not only was it part of a key line of dialog in Star Trek IV, but also there's a fairly famous recording of William Shatner mispronouncing the word sabotage during a recording session for a Trek video game, and getting into an argument about it with the recording engineer... lovely !!

Plus, the Beastie Boys are huge Trek fans and often make references to the show in their songs and videos.

And we just know that rebelious kids love to blast 300-year-old songs and rebelious, party-loving, drunk adults and military personell love listening to 300-year-old songs in bars too.

I know whenever I go to the local pub it's blasting and people are rocking and getting drunk to Mozart.

But if you think about it... "classical" music was and stayed popular for 300 years or more, rock music may have the same staying power, and still remain popular for longer than you might think. In the case of Trek: it could be good old fasioned Earth nostalgia that keeps rock going, in a world full of visiting aliens and all their cultural baggage. Humans may cling to the last 200 some years of familiar Earth culture for comfort. Cochrane banged out classic rock tunes as well, and his era was devestated by war, probally nothing new in the juke for a while, so rock stays in the picture.

Well, with the 3rd world war having destroyed everything, Cochrane would not have much of a variety of music to listen to. He had to listen to what was left. He might have been a fan of whatever the mid 21st century equivelent of N-Sync was.

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

So did Nick Meyer intend that the fictional character of Sherlock Holmes be a real character in the Trek universe? It's a question I have had for a long time, he did like Holmes character a great deal having written two books about Sir Aurthur Conan Doyle's detective.

 

[Trekker4747]

I liked the use of the Beastie Boys song "Sabotage", not only was it part of a key line of dialog in Star Trek IV, but also there's a fairly famous recording of William Shatner mispronouncing the word sabotage during a recording session for a Trek video game, and getting into an argument about it with the recording engineer... lovely !!

Plus, the Beastie Boys are huge Trek fans and often make references to the show in their songs and videos.

And we just know that rebelious kids love to blast 300-year-old songs and rebelious, party-loving, drunk adults and military personell love listening to 300-year-old songs in bars too.

I know whenever I go to the local pub it's blasting and people are rocking and getting drunk to Mozart.

But if you think about it... "classical" music was and stayed popular for 300 years or more, rock music may have the same staying power, and still remain popular for longer than you might think. In the case of Trek: it could be good old fasioned Earth nostalgia that keeps rock going, in a world full of visiting aliens and all their cultural baggage. Humans may cling to the last 200 some years of familiar Earth culture for comfort. Cochrane banged out classic rock tunes as well, and his era was devestated by war, probally nothing new in the juke for a while, so rock stays in the picture.

At home or in specific places, sure, maybe.

When's the last time you walked into a bar with people rocking-out to Bach?

 

[JarodRussell]

So did Nick Meyer intend that the fictional character of Sherlock Holmes be a real character in the Trek universe? It's a question I have had for a long time, he did like Holmes character a great deal having written two books about Sir Aurthur Conan Doyle's detective.

More realistically, Arthur Conan Doyle is an ancestor of Amanda, Spock's mother. And since he wrote Sherlock Holmes, he actually said that. And Doyle probably didn't came up with the phrase in the first place anyway.

 

[Anticitizen]

I loved this nod to Spock from Star Trek VI...in fact I appreciated all those little gems they threw in for Star Trek fans, and I'm sure I missed a few I'll find later. Well done.

I liked that in VI, he says that it was an ancestor of his who said it, which is actually Sherlock Holmes.

Or perhaps, Arthur Conan Doyle?

What was brilliant about the line in The Undiscovered Country was that Spock's implied assertion that Sherlock Holmes was his 'ancestor' was a bit of third-wall breaking - it could be said that the character of Sherlock Holmes is the literary ancestor of the character of Mr. Spock in many ways.

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so this may have already been mentioned, but writer/director Nicholas Meyer also wrote the most successful Sherlock Holmes story not penned by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle - 'The Seven Per-cent Solution'.

 

[KottenFutz]

When's the last time you walked into a bar with people rocking-out to Bach?

People don't rock out to Bach, cuz it's not rock. I could easily rock to Mozart however.

But ya wanna rock out? Listen to rock... it will rock for a long time, people like to rock. And probally will wanna keep rocking on for a long rockin' time. Bar's are built on rock. I still rock to rock that's almost 60 years old now, when will we stop rocking? Probally not anytime soon, no end in sight for rock.

Plus, Earth has been blasting rock out into space, mabye some of these new aliens will catch our transmissions in 100 years and brings rock with them back to Earth, causing a new retro revolution in rock!!

Rock!!