"When you have eliminated the impossible..."
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What was brilliant about the line in The Undiscovered Country was that Spock's implied assertion that Sherlock Holmes was his 'ancestor' was a bit of third-wall breaking - it could be said that the character of Sherlock Holmes is the literary ancestor of the character of Mr. Spock in many ways.
I haven't read the whole thread yet, so this may have already been mentioned, but writer/director Nicholas Meyer also wrote the most successful Sherlock Holmes story not penned by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle - 'The Seven Per-cent Solution'.
Interesting, I like the idea of Sherlock Holmes existing in the same universe as Star Trek. So was Data pretending to be a living historical character in the holodeck? Or did you mean that in a more cerebral way, like the lineage of the classic detective model in literature? Like Kirk is a "ancestor" of Captain Horatio Hornblower?
Actually, Meyer has written three Holmes novels so far. THE SEVEN PERCENT SOLUTION, THE WEST END HORROR, and THE CANARY TRAINER.
The latter pits Holmes against the Phantom of the Opera.
Or perhaps, Arthur Conan Doyle?
What was brilliant about the line in The Undiscovered Country was that Spock's implied assertion that Sherlock Holmes was his 'ancestor' was a bit of third-wall breaking - it could be said that the character of Sherlock Holmes is the literary ancestor of the character of Mr. Spock in many ways.
I haven't read the whole thread yet, so this may have already been mentioned, but writer/director Nicholas Meyer also wrote the most successful Sherlock Holmes story not penned by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle - 'The Seven Per-cent Solution'.
Interesting, I like the idea of Sherlock Holmes existing in the same universe as Star Trek. So was Data pretending to be a living historical character in the holodeck? Or did you mean that in a more cerebral way, like the lineage of the classic detective model in literature? Like Kirk is a "ancestor" of Captain Horatio Hornblower?
I mean it in the more 'cerebral' way. Sherlock's disciplined, powerful intelligence is in some ways an archetype for Spock's character.
One scene in particular that I thought Pine did a stellar job with was the meld with Spock Prime. Spock shows him the destruction of Vulcan and, though he is emotionally compromised, Spock doesn't display it. Kirk, however, clearly does due to "emotional transference" from the meld. Kirk is overwhelmed and near tears. This, I think, is akin to the emotional transference Picard receives (and Stewart wonderfully displays) from Sarek in TNG's episode "Sarek." I took that as an homage to canon as well.
Jus' you whyte 'enry 'iggins.
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I think the young Kirk was unstable do you think he was unstable not yet organised in his life do you think that was the case?
I'm sorry, what?
You heard.
No, I read.
A couple of things that I picked up on were sound effects. The first was obvious. It was the 'sonar ping' and other TOS bridge sounds as the movie opened on the Kelvin. Another wasn't so 'in your face'. I noticed (on about my 4th time at the theater) that the transporter sound effect was very close to that of TOS's.
I also noticed that even on the Enterprise, when they hit the button to address the crew it still made that noise that it did in the original... 
Here's a less obvious homage:
In Sickbay, Bones tells Kirk, "A little suffering is good for the soul."
This is actually a reference to "The Corbomite Maneuver".
KIRK: Aren't you the one who always says that a little suffering is good for the soul?
McCOY: No, I never say that.
Apparently...in this timeline, he DID.
In Sickbay, Bones tells Kirk, "A little suffering is good for the soul."
This is actually a reference to "The Corbomite Maneuver".
KIRK: Aren't you the one who always says that a little suffering is good for the soul?
McCOY: No, I never say that.
Apparently...in this timeline, he DID.
^ Wow, i didn't realize (remember) that. That is cool!
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