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When Voyager goes bad...
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Don't worry, by the next episode everything will be reset and no one will remember anything thats come before
These are not errors, they are paradoxes.
Don't worry, by the next episode everything will be reset and no one will remember anything thats come beforeContinuity errors? NoSurely not!
These are not errors, they are paradoxes.
Except we poor suckers
Really what about the fact that the worst episode of the series, Threshold was in season 2? There were plenty of really bad episodes in season 2, lots of terrible ones.
What....? You're not a Paris/Janeway 'Shipper?
Why'd they not explore that as a possible relationship? An older woman with a younger man, could have made things interesting on the Bridge. Especially when a love triangle developed with Chakotay, who Torres pinned after whilst having to fend off the unwanted and poorly thought up advances of Kim.What....? You're not a Paris/Janeway 'Shipper?
Make VOY just into one big Space Soap Opera!
Why'd they not explore that as a possible relationship? An older woman with a younger man, could have made things interesting on the Bridge. Especially when a love triangle developed with Chakotay, who Torres pinned after whilst having to fend off the unwanted and poorly thought up advances of Kim.What....? You're not a Paris/Janeway 'Shipper?
Make VOY just into one big Space Soap Opera!
At least it wasn't Harry
Why'd they not explore that as a possible relationship? An older woman with a younger man, could have made things interesting on the Bridge. Especially when a love triangle developed with Chakotay, who Torres pinned after whilst having to fend off the unwanted and poorly thought up advances of Kim.What....? You're not a Paris/Janeway 'Shipper?
Make VOY just into one big Space Soap Opera!
That's what we want for ST:XII. Janeway and NuKirk
I'll support any decision that gets NuKirk in his skivvies againWhy'd they not explore that as a possible relationship? An older woman with a younger man, could have made things interesting on the Bridge. Especially when a love triangle developed with Chakotay, who Torres pinned after whilst having to fend off the unwanted and poorly thought up advances of Kim.What....? You're not a Paris/Janeway 'Shipper?
Make VOY just into one big Space Soap Opera!
That's what we want for ST:XII. Janeway and NuKirk
This topic has certainly kicked off a lot of discussion, which is good to see.
I am amazed how my opinion has shifted. I started this as I thought the crappy end to season 4 was the rot setting in, but actually season 5 was good. Way better than I recall. Considering I ranked it below 3 and 4 originally, I wouldn't do that now. It's better than them.
There's a nice confidence in a lot of them, some stand out episodes (Counterpoint, Latent Image, Course: Oblivion to name three) and there's actually quite a nice bit of humour, which is what always made me like season 1.
Now I'm on season 6... this was the season where for the first time since 1987 I stopped buying Star Trek videos! So it has a really negative memory for me. First three episodes are lacklustre and rather contrived, but not awful. I will be interested to see how this continues to pan out...
I am amazed how my opinion has shifted. I started this as I thought the crappy end to season 4 was the rot setting in, but actually season 5 was good. Way better than I recall. Considering I ranked it below 3 and 4 originally, I wouldn't do that now. It's better than them.
There's a nice confidence in a lot of them, some stand out episodes (Counterpoint, Latent Image, Course: Oblivion to name three) and there's actually quite a nice bit of humour, which is what always made me like season 1.
Now I'm on season 6... this was the season where for the first time since 1987 I stopped buying Star Trek videos! So it has a really negative memory for me. First three episodes are lacklustre and rather contrived, but not awful. I will be interested to see how this continues to pan out...
Voyager is the only series i've seen in full and i love it - i mean some episodes were a bit ott. And i suppose how she has managed to get her ship out of seemingly hopeless odds. but i love it either way it doesn't matter people like what they like etc
I think Season 6 got a bad rep due to the whole Fair Haven/Spirit Folk thing. Two episodes conceived as fun, but way OTT when it comes to cliche holodeck malfunctions...
Season 6 does, however, contain one of the finest hours in all of Trek (IMHO), One Small Step. Apart from the fact that it makes Chakotay look like a bit of a pratt (always a bonus for me), it is really full of the wonder of space travel that drew me to science fiction in the first place. The flashback scenes with John Kelly are marvellous. Some fine acting from Robbie McNeill (watch his face when Tom has to implement Chakotay's orders, remembering he's just been demoted for failing to obey).
And then there's Memorial, another beaut (apart from the unresolved issue between Tom and B'Elanna); one of the few times ST addresses the issue of post-traumatic stress, but also something dear to my professional heart -- the importance of remembrance and accountability for war crimes, building to some extent on Equinox.
Good stuff, that.
Season 6 does, however, contain one of the finest hours in all of Trek (IMHO), One Small Step. Apart from the fact that it makes Chakotay look like a bit of a pratt (always a bonus for me), it is really full of the wonder of space travel that drew me to science fiction in the first place. The flashback scenes with John Kelly are marvellous. Some fine acting from Robbie McNeill (watch his face when Tom has to implement Chakotay's orders, remembering he's just been demoted for failing to obey).
And then there's Memorial, another beaut (apart from the unresolved issue between Tom and B'Elanna); one of the few times ST addresses the issue of post-traumatic stress, but also something dear to my professional heart -- the importance of remembrance and accountability for war crimes, building to some extent on Equinox.
Good stuff, that.
For me I think it was coming off the heels of great DS9, and I was already disillusioned with it going downhill so season 6 was the end of it all for me. Now with retrospect, it's not so bad... season 5 was very good, so season 6 while not as good isn't awful. Or well wasn't awful.
Season 6 has largely been mediocre so far. I got to Fair Haven and was actually expecting to hate it didn't mind it!
However... since then, awful. Blink of an Eye, okay idea but felt like it was filmed with £5 budget. Virtuoso AWFUL, just truly awful on every single level. Memorial, awful. Tsunktase (taking it from UPN in the arse, awful.)
So yeah, I finally seem to hit my 'When Voyager goes bad' moment, which made me start this topic. Just later than I expected!
I don't mind it, but I feel like a lot of season 6 is concept before characters and this was an example of that. I overall liked it, but couldn't help but feeling it was contrived.
Overall I'm now just thinking, having watched a stretch of bad episodes, when did B&B start working on Enterprise? These episodes are early '00. I was never into B&B bashing, but now I'm wondering... did they focus on Enterprise and it was lack of B&B which made Voyager go bad?
I'm forcing myself to watch season 6. Most of it is not quite as bad as I thought, but not great. I like Barge of the Dead, mostly because it's a Torres episode, but nothing's really resolved, and next week, it's like nothing happened. My favorite shows are able to refer back to previous episodes, as in, hey, remember, Torres had all these issues with depression and anger? Anything starring the EMH, including Virtuoso is decent, but that's because he's my favorite character on the show. I like, in sort of an order, the EMH, Neelix, Torres, Paris, and sort of like Tuvok and Seven.
Memorial, Fair Haven / Spirit Folk, Alice, Tsunktase - really, you could do better. While they're not Spock's Brain, they're not Year of Hell.
I'm going through the Memory Alpha summaries along with the episodes and have been amazed when I read how TPTB felt they got a scene wrong or that a situation should have been handled differently. I'm not saying that I haven't read that about many shows, I just was surprised by how many times this came up. That being said, I am getting through Voyager and finding it more enjoyable than I thought, especially as compared to such dregs as the last season of Andromeda.
Memorial, Fair Haven / Spirit Folk, Alice, Tsunktase - really, you could do better. While they're not Spock's Brain, they're not Year of Hell.
I'm going through the Memory Alpha summaries along with the episodes and have been amazed when I read how TPTB felt they got a scene wrong or that a situation should have been handled differently. I'm not saying that I haven't read that about many shows, I just was surprised by how many times this came up. That being said, I am getting through Voyager and finding it more enjoyable than I thought, especially as compared to such dregs as the last season of Andromeda.
Andromeda was running out of money.
It was kept afloat by kevin Sorbo having sex with people in suits on board room tables.
Imagine if half way through Voyager a suit walked into the writers room and said, we're 1/4ering your CGI budget, so try not to write about anything in space, or creature we can't find by just casting unusually ugly hillbillies from outlet malls.
It was kept afloat by kevin Sorbo having sex with people in suits on board room tables.
Imagine if half way through Voyager a suit walked into the writers room and said, we're 1/4ering your CGI budget, so try not to write about anything in space, or creature we can't find by just casting unusually ugly hillbillies from outlet malls.
But they had those ugly hillbillies in Caretaker!
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