When Trek insults our intelligence
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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No, just no. I get tired of the "dumb action movie" label for those films, especially 09. Just because it has action doesn't mean it has an "idiot plot." I might not agree with everything done in those films, but they did well to combine the action/adventure with social commentary that Gene pitched TOS as.
Is there even a mention of that in TOS?WTF does this even mean?
We're not talking about anyone's fanfiction. I am talking about when the first Vulcan joined Starfleet ACCORDING TO TOS SOURCES.
That means according to The Original Series, The Animated Series, or the TOS movies.
That episode where we're meant to believe an entire planet became Chicago mobsters because a single book was left there
What’s wrong with that? It’s no less plausible than a simple seventies space probe becoming a super powerful mega entity that needs to return to Earth and join with a human in order to develop itself as an individual.
One hundred percent plausible, infact, the odds of it not happening are astronomical.
That episode where we're meant to believe an entire planet became Chicago mobsters because a single book was left there
Your average Bible is a book in one volume. Had rather a significant influence, wouldn't you agree?
Huh. I don't know if you're located in the US or not... but the Protestant tradition is pretty dominant across most of the country here, so maybe my surprise is an artifact of that. I was raised Protestant myself (though I'm no longer a believer), and I literally never heard word one about cremation. (To be frank, I never heard anything about "bodily resurrection" either until I was an adult, and I was nonplussed to discover there are modern Christians in other denominations who take that kind of thing seriously.)
Yes, just yes. If you're determined to enjoy that movie then more power to you, we all take our fun where we can find it... but I can't imagine how anyone can do that without embracing its "dumb action movie" status. I could take a verbal walk through the movie practically scene-by-scene describing one bit of dumbness after another, but that would be tedious for both of us!...
Giant log-shaped probes that will eliminate life on a planet to get in contact with one species of whale.
Oh I don't know, I think as an allegory for human behaviour that's not too far fetched at all
My inbox is always open. But, I don't embrace "dumb action movie."
Back in the day I wrote a parody and had it that the probe was a super-sized Jimmy Dean sausage and that what had caused it to run amok was an overwhelming abundance of....grease.
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It’s all nonsense really isn’t it.
The Talosians didn’t know how to rebuild a human female because they didn’t know what one looked like, so they chucked her mangled limbs at her torso and hoped for the best.
An energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy that gives people super powers.
The Talosians didn’t know how to rebuild a human female because they didn’t know what one looked like, so they chucked her mangled limbs at her torso and hoped for the best.
An energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy that gives people super powers.
I think ST rarely does, the only really memorable time it did was in Voyager's "Spirit Folk" and maybe a few other episodes where holographic weapons could cause real damage to the ship, including the safety measures, before the safety measures had been turned off.
Oh? I've never seen that one?
I always wondered about that. It's easy to see how they'd struggle with the fine details, but clearly they were already familiar with the general layout of a humanoid form? It's almost like they'd decided to rebuild her whilst stoned.
U. S. ....upstate New York.
Personally, I was baptized Roman Catholic when I was 7 and started going to church with my mother. They didn't care all that much for her, because she had been divorced twice before marrying my father. My father didn't go to church because of negative experiences with church when he was little.
I attended Catholic religious instruction after school from 7 through 10 years of age. Then we just stopped with the whole thing. The priest was removed, because he had a problem. He was chasing after the nuns for sex. The nuns did the vast majority of the teaching. You hardly ever saw the priest come into a classroom. So, the nuns had quite a lot of autonomy with the teaching. There were two of them and, frankly, I think they both may have had some mental problems. Looking back, and having the context of now for comparison, it's as if they were confident that we wouldn't go into significant detail with our parents in any discussions about what we had been taught....pretty much the "How did it go today?" "Good" type of thing....so they included whatever struck their whimsy. It was malicious, it was manipulative. It was horrible. It was mental abuse.
I remember one thing in particular: A children's book that illustrated that if you were not a good person you would go to Hell for all of eternity. The illustrations were of a little child in Hell next to a large teapot that was blowing its top and the child was being scalded and boiled. Monstrous stuff.
There seems to be some weird obsession with teapots:
http://amightywind.com/storyofweek/teapotstory.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
Anyhow, I was very glad to get away from all of that. The memories persist, however, and some buried ones can float back up at odd times.
We got a new phone number and then I happened to be walking past this sign which had a number that was quite close. The sign was for 'The Red Kettle Inn, Bed and Breakfast'. I was reminded of Matt Decker's line from 'The Doomsday Machine'. "....straight out of Hell, I saw it!" A red teapot....damn. Of all the things.
I think the change in concentration from what those nuns were doing to embracing Star Trek helped to preserve my sanity.
Today, I can talk with Christians without thinking that they are going to poison me, but I don't really want to personally involve myself with those beliefs.
No, never happened.
Why would I feel something I just watch for entertainment "insults my intelligence"? At most I'd think the plot (or some other element of the show) is idiotic, perhaps make some fun of it here on TrekBBS, and go on with other things to fill my time with.
Edit: I can find episodes offensive, though. But for other reasons.
Why would I feel something I just watch for entertainment "insults my intelligence"? At most I'd think the plot (or some other element of the show) is idiotic, perhaps make some fun of it here on TrekBBS, and go on with other things to fill my time with.
Edit: I can find episodes offensive, though. But for other reasons.
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TOS was playing by a different set rules. It was a way of exploring cultural contamination in a fun way using elements the viewers would be familiar with. Plus it was inexpensive because they could use existing props, sets and wardrobe. Possibly inspired by the cargo cults of the Pacific. Something Roddenberry and others might have been familiar with.That episode where we're meant to believe an entire planet became Chicago mobsters because a single book was left there
Made when Star Trek didn't take it's self so seriously.
Wasn't the film 'The Gods Must Be Crazy' sort of a cargo cult film....something about a Coke bottle dropped out of an airplane and causing cultural contamination for a primitive culture or some such?
