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When should the Borg assimilate a species?

James89901

Lieutenant Commander
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The Borg are great and if they are real, I welcome our new overlords and hope for a position in the replacement of unimatrix 01. My methods will greatly add to the power of the collective if implemented well. Mighty Borg, I kneel before you and offer thanks.

So we've seen the Borg tear through species like they are nothing and then begin assimilation straight away. An example of this was in Voyager when the queen took Seven to watch an assimilation. It took only minutes for the Borg to triumph. In my opinion, this was a poor time to assimilate this species.

The Borg should always only assimilate a species when their technology is at levels that aren't yet able to overpower the Borg, yet also is good enough to provide a good amount of new technology. They also have to factor in their ability to control all currently known species to them and make sure their military resources are more than capable of defeating all of them in a situation of the highest probable projected amounts of simultaneous combat engagements. In other words, whatever the highest level of combat readiness they have to be at, is the minimum they should be at. They should also probably consider unforseen circumstances and even keep military resources a notch higher than the previously mentioned readiness level.

This kind of assimilation does in theory open the Borg up to a higher casualty count and loss of ships. However their ultimate goal is to be perfect. Preservation of all parts of the collective are secondary to acquiring perfection for the majority.

I believe the rewards from letting species "grow" further would far outweigh the concern the Borg would have over the increase in their losses in combat.

Do you guys reckon the Borg do assimilate at the right time, or they should wait?
 
Hmm... I've never taken the Borg for the types who keep a calendar as to when a species is ready for assimilation. I always assumed they were the "we come across this species and if they aren't TOTALLY useless to us in every possible way we'll assimilate them right now, no matter what" types.
 
Hmm... I've never taken the Borg for the types who keep a calendar as to when a species is ready for assimilation. I always assumed they were the "we come across this species and if they aren't TOTALLY useless to us in every possible way we'll assimilate them right now, no matter what" types.

Even though, yes, in the series and movies they do seem quite hasty in their approach to assimilation, I always consider the Borg to be equivalent to a hyper intelligent A.i. So I always expect them to make the decisions that best serve their ultimate goal. At least in theory. I don't think they actually do this in the franchise though at times.

Which is why I'd like the Borg to change their strategy haha.
 
Hmm... I've never taken the Borg for the types who keep a calendar as to when a species is ready for assimilation. I always assumed they were the "we come across this species and if they aren't TOTALLY useless to us in every possible way we'll assimilate them right now, no matter what" types.
Nah, I'm sure they totally got a cube in Kazon space just waiting for the day when they advance enough to be worthy of assimilation and then do so. ;)
 
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It does go a ways to explaining the mystery of their would-be season one origins in The Neutral Zone. They were probing in, instead of full on invasion.

I like the idea that they'd determine a species unworthy until a certain point. I'd place that point right at where the UFP's civilization is at, right when it all went down, still woefully outmatched, but possessing some tasty tech, maybe not ship tech, but certainly other more personal types, like Picard's artificial heart, Geordi's VISOR, their android tech like Data, their medical advancements in repairing organisms... All things I imagine the Borg might be short on & could make crafty use of

It also explains why Q drops them on our gang in Q-Who. It wasn't far off before they qualified for membership anyhow
 
Who gets assimilated first... the Pakleds or Kazon?

I'd actually say the Pakleds, because despite them being as slow as the Kazon, they didn't seem to be at each other's throats. They seemed to work toward the same goal... getting things to make them go.
 
And after assimilation...

We are the Borg. We want what we want. Lower your shields and make us strong. Resistance is not smart.
 
The concept of "assimilating a species" is an iffy one. The Borg can acquire technology, tactics and other ideas by assimilating individuals, or even by provoking without assimilating (such as with Icheb's world, and presumably also with the Federation). When do the Borg put paid to their party line and actually assimilate an entire species, down to the last individual, so that they can enjoy the promised improvement in their existence?

So far, only in "Dark Frontier". And there the Queen did it to spite Seven. The Borg have targeted numerous species (perhaps all the ten thousand plus that they have numbered), but they did not assimilate even all of the El-Aurians, the only other species so far confirmed to have been hit with an actual Armageddon annihilation. Every other "species assimilated" may be of the "we got one of 'em, and all their secrets" type instead.

I, too, like to see the Borg as master strategists, or master accountants, which usually is the same thing. They assimilate when it is optimal, and they assimilate a species when it is the right time for a species to cease to exist. But the Borg appear to be everywhere, and everywhere our heroes go, they encounter species/cultures at different levels of advancement, including those supposedly high above the Borg. It doesn't appear, then, that the Borg would feel obligated to eliminate species that are evolving into threats. They are good at hiding, at least for the brief duration of species evolution where X might grow into a threat but hasn't yet grown up enough to simply ignore the Borg.

I'd argue, then, that there is no single right time for terminal assimilation. But probably no wrong time for it, either. If a fleet of Cubes needs ten million crew all of a sudden, and there's a stone age planet below, poof goes that species. If a resource is located at Y and some locals are annoyingly in the way, poof goes that species. The Borg can afford to think small.

Timo Saloniemi
 
After analyzing possible utility, they'd just float on in, make their pre-recorded speech about how they will be assimilated and resistance is futile and the snack bars are still open, then beam on down. :devil:

Of course, if their opponents manage to turn them into cube steak, they'll just come back with another cube to be destroyed just as fast since having two cubes to divert and distract is a poor way to adapt.
 
I always figured they only assimilated species that were unique and had something to offer that they didn't already possess. It's really the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, they'd just be marauding around grabbing everything in their path...and as we have seen, that's not what they do.
 
I always figured they only assimilated species that were unique and had something to offer that they didn't already possess. It's really the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, they'd just be marauding around grabbing everything in their path...and as we have seen, that's not what they do.

I would guess resources would be finite to some degree, even at the galactic level. Which could be another reason for assimilation, if you assimilate someone then you've removed them as competitors. Because, humanity being "special" just isn't doing it for me as a reason to assimilate the Federation, as the Borg already seem to be superior to them at pretty much every technological level.
 
It does go a ways to explaining the mystery of their would-be season one origins in The Neutral Zone. They were probing in, instead of full on invasion.

I like the idea that they'd determine a species unworthy until a certain point. I'd place that point right at where the UFP's civilization is at, right when it all went down, still woefully outmatched, but possessing some tasty tech, maybe not ship tech, but certainly other more personal types, like Picard's artificial heart, Geordi's VISOR, their android tech like Data, their medical advancements in repairing organisms... All things I imagine the Borg might be short on & could make crafty use of

It also explains why Q drops them on our gang in Q-Who. It wasn't far off before they qualified for membership anyhow

Whilst yes the federation still did possess some interesting technology for them for sure. They even had ways of evading their technology and defeating them at times. I still would imagine that a better time to assimilate the feds would of been further into the future for the simple fact that there is only a finite number of species in the galaxy at the time the Borg is around. So they should maximize the potential of every species they encounter.

The Borg could still quite easily defeat starfleet for basically the entire time we watch any of the shows. So I think leaving it a few more decades would of been best. It would ensure Borg supremacy throughout the entire alpha and beta quadrants for hundreds or thousands of years to come. No species or group of species, except the Romulan Empire could pose a threat to them if they assimilated the federation at a time where the feds were the dominant power. They could then repeat the process with the Romulans as well actually. Then wait for other species to build up and do it again.

The Borg should operate on the assumption of an infinite timeframe and that their species lasts forever. That way they plan accordingly and then get the best possible technology that they can, regardless of combat losses.

You know I'd actually also go as far to say that the Borg should approach each engagement where their highest projected combat casualties is only a few hundred or thous
The concept of "assimilating a species" is an iffy one. The Borg can acquire technology, tactics and other ideas by assimilating individuals, or even by provoking without assimilating (such as with Icheb's world, and presumably also with the Federation). When do the Borg put paid to their party line and actually assimilate an entire species, down to the last individual, so that they can enjoy the promised improvement in their existence?

So far, only in "Dark Frontier". And there the Queen did it to spite Seven. The Borg have targeted numerous species (perhaps all the ten thousand plus that they have numbered), but they did not assimilate even all of the El-Aurians, the only other species so far confirmed to have been hit with an actual Armageddon annihilation. Every other "species assimilated" may be of the "we got one of 'em, and all their secrets" type instead.

I, too, like to see the Borg as master strategists, or master accountants, which usually is the same thing. They assimilate when it is optimal, and they assimilate a species when it is the right time for a species to cease to exist. But the Borg appear to be everywhere, and everywhere our heroes go, they encounter species/cultures at different levels of advancement, including those supposedly high above the Borg. It doesn't appear, then, that the Borg would feel obligated to eliminate species that are evolving into threats. They are good at hiding, at least for the brief duration of species evolution where X might grow into a threat but hasn't yet grown up enough to simply ignore the Borg.

I'd argue, then, that there is no single right time for terminal assimilation. But probably no wrong time for it, either. If a fleet of Cubes needs ten million crew all of a sudden, and there's a stone age planet below, poof goes that species. If a resource is located at Y and some locals are annoyingly in the way, poof goes that species. The Borg can afford to think small.

Timo Saloniemi

Yes I agree they certainly have the luxury in many circumstance to "think small" in the ways you mentioned. Out of necessity, they might need to "recruit" or gather resources. However, I was mainly talking about how they would proceed towards total assimilation of a species if they didn't need to use them for another purpose other than that of their main goal of perfection.

Although it's quite possible that they don't attempt to assimilate all species they encounter. I have to say that it's probably more likely that they do, or at the very least intend to. They express on numerous occasions that their ultimate goal towards humanity is total assimilation. We know it's not simply partial assimilation because in best of both worlds and FC they make attempts at complete assimilation. Even if the BOBW attempt did seem to be mainly a probe into the federations defences. Also they have partially assimilated federation outposts in best of both worlds and The Neutral Zone. Yet they still express a desire for full assimilation

The El-Aurian's and species 116 are examples of species that have been assimilated to the point that their cultures collapsed completely. All that was left was a few stragglers. Now this could be intentional, or it could be pure luck for the survivors. Who knows. Where do we draw the line at full assimilation I guess? Perhaps one not need be drawn.

There are risks and rewards to leaving a small portion of a species alive I suppose. They might rebuild again and get more technology to add and then the Borg could repeat the process. Yet it also leaves the Borg exposed to an a threat that could come back to bite them if the species finds a way to thrive in another part of the galaxy or relocate to another galaxy and plot their eventual revenge. It'd be interesting to see what a show creator would say about whether or not it was the Borg's intention to leave a small group of survivors.

We can't say for sure that the Borg aren't inclined to assimilate a species that is evolving into a threat just because the Borg are in many places in the galaxy. We aren't aware of the lifespan of the collective. It could be only a few thousand years old for all we known. Who knows how fast a cyborg species can grow haha. So we can't say one way or another if they've been around for the advancement of many species that eventually took a position of technological superiority to them and then dismissed them or thought of them as more of an interesting experiment like the Q do.

The only species of near/slightly greater technological prowess has been species 8472. Which would of ended horribly for the Borg if not for Janeway's intervention. The Borg actually made a mistake with a species that was crossing the threshold of equal threat to them and made an attempt at assimilation. This was probably done because of a lack of knowledge of their target.

That's the biggest problem the Borg face with more advanced races. Observation can only get them so much information to work with. At one point they have to make a decision whether or not to assimilate a ship or being or the whole species. If they make a mistake, like with 8472, and attempt to assimilate one ship just to gather more information so they can decide upon whether or not they should fully assimilate. Then that mistake could cost them dearly and end their whole race if that ship is able to resist or can communicate with the rest of their species and start a war.

Even though there are many species beyond the Borg and they might just of progressed past them over time. I'd have to say that is probably unlikely and that it's more likely those species were around before the Borg reached their current power. If not purely for the reason that these species would of had to of been at a point in their progression when they feared the Borg. Therefore either revenge or simply generousity and sympathy towards the rest of the galaxy's inhabitants, any species that surpassed the Borg after being underneath them, would almost certainly "come back" and either destroy them or free their drones. I'd say the latter is more likely to be honest.
 
Yea
I always figured they only assimilated species that were unique and had something to offer that they didn't already possess. It's really the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, they'd just be marauding around grabbing everything in their path...and as we have seen, that's not what they do.

Yeah they do definitely do that. Just not as efficiently as they could when progressing towards their ultimate goal I think. They should try and keep a longer time-frame in mind for things haha. Although that'd make for a TV show of always being only introduced to species of high technology advancement if they did things my way. We'd never get to meet any peasant type cultures that got assimilated because the Borg would always be letting them grow up and be advanced first. So the show would be worse in that sense I suppose.
 
After analyzing possible utility, they'd just float on in, make their pre-recorded speech about how they will be assimilated and resistance is futile and the snack bars are still open, then beam on down. :devil:

Of course, if their opponents manage to turn them into cube steak, they'll just come back with another cube to be destroyed just as fast since having two cubes to divert and distract is a poor way to adapt.

Yeah but they could do it better! Haha

Before they assimilate any other species they should work on their network security.

Totally. Get Norton or something.
 
It does go a ways to explaining the mystery of their would-be season one origins in The Neutral Zone. They were probing in, instead of full on invasion.

I like the idea that they'd determine a species unworthy until a certain point. I'd place that point right at where the UFP's civilization is at, right when it all went down, still woefully outmatched, but possessing some tasty tech, maybe not ship tech, but certainly other more personal types, like Picard's artificial heart, Geordi's VISOR, their android tech like Data, their medical advancements in repairing organisms... All things I imagine the Borg might be short on & could make crafty use of

It also explains why Q drops them on our gang in Q-Who. It wasn't far off before they qualified for membership anyhow

Or even to go beyond probing and into provoking?

Present a species with a threat and see what technologies they develop to counter it thus making them more desirable for assimilation later?
 
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