When it's 50 years later and none of the original people are involved in the edits, it just becomes a weird form of censorship. Trek remade to conform to someone's idea of what's right and wrong Star Trek.
when did TOS take place, 23rd century or 22nd century
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I give my allegiance to the United Earth Space Probe Agency! There, I said it! 
JB
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Agree. It's like the old "should B&W film be colorized" discussion: should something that's not a problem be "fixed"? Or should the original artistic expression be left alone? And how far do you go?
Nine years ago, someone managed a bridge replacement for 30 sec of TOS:
I would say no, however I found it impressive.
I found it impressive as well and it has held up pretty well. Better than TOS-R has, anyway.
No. But honestly if you added jelly bean buttons to those consoles I'd probably like that better than the DSC Enterprise bridge. And I generally like the DSC Enterprise bridge.
Is there a reason the consoles are so far apart, and with Lorca gone why can't they turn the lights up?
Yeah. Is so dark. Good thing the steps aren’t weird or else people would be tripping
Because hip and cool people like unnecessarily dark and edgy cinematography because dark and edgy and stuff.
Or something.
Honestly, in an environment with lots of display screens, it makes sense to keep the ambient lighting relatively low to reduce reflections and make the screens more visible. I once had a temp job as a tour guide at a Star Trek: Federation Science museum exhibit, and the exhibit hall had to be kept relatively dark because of all the video displays and TNG-style touchscreens. Between the darkness and the noise from the endless loops of Trekkish sound effects and audio clips, I found it a very stressful environment and didn't last long in the job.
The bridge in ST:TMP was also dimly lit for the sake of the monitors, but that was more about the visibility of the rear-projected film-loop graphics to the audience.
The bridge in ST:TMP was also dimly lit for the sake of the monitors, but that was more about the visibility of the rear-projected film-loop graphics to the audience.
So you don't count their visit to the barrier in the third season then, King Dan?
Surely you do?JB
They visit the barrier twice, right? "Where No Man..." and "By Any Other Name"So you don't count their visit to the barrier in the third season then, King Dan?
JB
Also in Is There in Truth no Beauty? But it is a contested viewpoint with the Enterprise trapped in a timeless void and the repeated scenes of the ship crashing into the barrier and then flying out of the maelstrom! Of course I think it might be different for the third season updated effects version!
JB
JB
I always thought that was just reusing the same effect for something else. They could havd warped to the barrier and gotten trapped I guess, although it didn't have the same effects on the crew.Also in Is There in Truth no Beauty? But it is a contested viewpoint with the Enterprise trapped in a timeless void and the repeated scenes of the ship crashing into the barrier and then flying out of the maelstrom! Of course I think it might be different for the third season updated effects version!
JB
The third season is the one with the best continuity. Or at least the one where they try the hardest... But while "By Any Other Name" has Kirk directly saying "Yes, we've been there", there is only an offhand reference to "the Barrier" in "Is There In Truth No Beauty?".
Good enough for me, since this offhand Barrier has the same properties as the one from the pilot - warp drive required for pushing through, say. OTOH, the recycled effect, which fortunately is gone in the remastering, never was supposed to be the same Barrier, because when the ship is in the middle of that purple swirl, it's supposed to be on one side of the Barrier rather than within it...
As for TOS and distances, I rather think they used to lie a lot back in the day. There's Vulcan being "millions" of lightyears away from Zarabeth's cave, or Pike coming from "the other end of the galaxy" in a ship that is supposed to greatly outperform the Columbia that already did the trip just fine. Perhaps these hardened veterans of Burnham's War were wary of giving out information for free?
Timo Saloniemi
Good enough for me, since this offhand Barrier has the same properties as the one from the pilot - warp drive required for pushing through, say. OTOH, the recycled effect, which fortunately is gone in the remastering, never was supposed to be the same Barrier, because when the ship is in the middle of that purple swirl, it's supposed to be on one side of the Barrier rather than within it...
As for TOS and distances, I rather think they used to lie a lot back in the day. There's Vulcan being "millions" of lightyears away from Zarabeth's cave, or Pike coming from "the other end of the galaxy" in a ship that is supposed to greatly outperform the Columbia that already did the trip just fine. Perhaps these hardened veterans of Burnham's War were wary of giving out information for free?
Timo Saloniemi
I'm not really sure if it's the Galactic Barrier or not in that episode! It's really confusing. 
The scenes are lifted from Where No Man (I only have the original effects from which to view) plus the talk about crossing the barrier at light speed is another nod to the GB yet they're trapped in a silvery place which is unlike the GB we know of and yet again when they exit the anomaly it's the same footage taken from Where No Man yet again? 
JB
The scenes are lifted from Where No Man (I only have the original effects from which to view) plus the talk about crossing the barrier at light speed is another nod to the GB yet they're trapped in a silvery place which is unlike the GB we know of and yet again when they exit the anomaly it's the same footage taken from Where No Man yet again? JB
Well, the dialogue during the pink mist scenes specifies they flew outside the Milky Way, and now have to "re-cross the barrier" to get back.
They additionally entered "a space-time continuum", whatever that means. The practical effect of that was getting them hopelessly lost, unable to get their bearings, even though their sensors are said to work just fine now. So the logical assumption would be that they remained in the space-time continuum, which manifested as the pink swirl and blocked the view and prevented them from knowing where to point the bow for a dash home.
It's just that the dialogue further tells us that going to warp will result in "extreme sensory distortion", thus confusing the issue of why exactly the heroes are lost. But in the end, it seems warp would merely add to their already persisting woes, which are due to that pesky continuum thing.
Since the heroes then outsource navigation to Kollos, the return to the exact point of departure is no wonder...
Timo Saloniemi
They additionally entered "a space-time continuum", whatever that means. The practical effect of that was getting them hopelessly lost, unable to get their bearings, even though their sensors are said to work just fine now. So the logical assumption would be that they remained in the space-time continuum, which manifested as the pink swirl and blocked the view and prevented them from knowing where to point the bow for a dash home.
It's just that the dialogue further tells us that going to warp will result in "extreme sensory distortion", thus confusing the issue of why exactly the heroes are lost. But in the end, it seems warp would merely add to their already persisting woes, which are due to that pesky continuum thing.
Since the heroes then outsource navigation to Kollos, the return to the exact point of departure is no wonder...
Timo Saloniemi
Honestly, I always assumed that "No Beauty" was a barrier crossing, that the writer just misunderstood the difference between "outside the galaxy" and "outside the universe." I rationalized it to myself as some kind of dimensional pocket within the barrier. But I recently took another look at the episode and realized there's only that one stock shot of the ship leaving the barrier that suggests any such thing. And it's hard to justify them being near the edge of the galaxy, since they're delivering Kollos and Miranda from a Federation base to Medusan space, which presumably is inside the galaxy. Although Marvick's modifications do send the ship flying at dangerous speeds, so who knows? Maybe he accidentally invented transwarp.
I always took the weird space in "Beauty" to be something like where the Ent-D ends up in "Where No One" but just not as extreme in terms of a place where people's minds can alter reality. I saw "Beauty" a good ten years before TNG came out, but "Where No One" meshed pretty well with it.
