Well there are two types of Bajorans. Some have a V shaped ridge between their eyebrows. Ro’s disappeared for some reason.
What's the worst canon decision in the history of Trek?
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They don't talk about it with outsiders.Well there are two types of Bajorans. Some have a V shaped ridge between their eyebrows. Ro’s disappeared for some reason.
Fury (VOY).
...And, as we found, it's not.
Like JonnyQuest037 says, there's Goldilocks' portion of ambiguity there, from that prominent separation between the "century" bit and the "warp and thugs" bit.
But that's selling it short, really. Conceptually, indeed semantically, it really means what it should - what Picard has to say about dealing with the Romulans is in response to what Dougherty has to say about dealing with the thugs that are the Son'a, which means that the folks in question already have what makes them more than thugs. That is, the Son'a have it now, so the Romulans had it then.
Even if the writers intended to say that Romulans only got warp a century ago, they didn't say it. (Although I doubt they ever did intend such a thing.) What they did end up saying was right on the mark: dealing with nasty pieces of work just because they have peer qualities (oil, warp, fountain-of-youth-pumping tech) is not gonna make your dad proud.
Although it's not a perfect analogy. Controlling oil today is a knife on your throat. Having tech that can recover the secret of youth where yours can't is a knife on your throat. But having warp merely gives the Romulans a fighting chance; it's not a knife on your throat. Invisibility tech might have been a better choice there. And, incidentally, something the heroes feel is a century old at this point...
...Which is the bit of canon I would like to erase. It's profoundly silly that our heroes would first encounter invisibility as late in the game as "Balance of Terror". They take it, and so many other things, in the stride in all other adventures, before and after "BoT" (in both airdate and in-universe terms); they shouldn't have declared it "theoretical" in this one. Especially when the story was about fighting a submarine with ASW weapons, which Kirk can't have if his side doesn't believe that submarines exist!
Timo Saloniemi
If whole episodes count "Where No One Has Gone Before."
In Star Trek they're barely a 2 on the batshitcrazy scale.
I made that
The only reason they didn't use the ridges on DS9 is because Terry Farrell either was allergic to the makeup, or didn't look good in it. Or both.
1. You're leaving out the part where JonnyQuest037 said we have to fudge things to make it work because they should've said two centuries ago instead of one.
2. This movie was written for Joe Sixpack. Since when does Joe Sixpack read between the lines?
3. Enough room for ambiguity sounds fitting, considering we're talking about a movie that came out in 1998. "I smoked but I didn't inhale." "That depends on what your definition of is is." And my personal favorite, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" But it's all good. "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."
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Being a ship guy, the one thing that bugs the hell out of me is the progression of the Klingon and Romulan ship designs thanks to prequels and retcons.
1. TOS "Balance of Terror" - introduces the Romulan Bird-of Prey with the bird motif.
2. TOS "The Enterprise Incident" - introduces the Klingon battlecruiser, with the proviso that the Romulans are also using this design for some unknown reason.
3. STIII - introduces the Klingon Bird-of-Prey with the bird motif (originally meant to be a Romulan BoP that Kruge stole, but script rewrites eliminate this and now the ship is totally Klingon.)
4. TNG - introduces the D'Deridex class Romulan warbird with the bird motif. The Klingons are still using BoPs, but they are also using Vor'chas that harken back to the D7/K't'inga battlecruiser origins.
5. ENT "Minefield" - introduces a 22nd century Romulan BoP that while harkening back to the original TOS design, looks far too modern in both design and color to the 24th century D'Deridex and Dominion warship (re: nacelle design). There is no bird motif because apparently the producers asked the VFX department to remove it.
6. ENT "The Expanse" - introduces a 22nd century Klingon BoP with the bird motif, the conclusion of which seems to be that now both the Klingons and the Romulans designed ships with a bird motif completely independently of each other for no real good reason, instead of the original premise of the Romulans doing it first and the Klingons following suit after some sort of technology exchange in the mid-23rd century.
1. TOS "Balance of Terror" - introduces the Romulan Bird-of Prey with the bird motif.
2. TOS "The Enterprise Incident" - introduces the Klingon battlecruiser, with the proviso that the Romulans are also using this design for some unknown reason.
3. STIII - introduces the Klingon Bird-of-Prey with the bird motif (originally meant to be a Romulan BoP that Kruge stole, but script rewrites eliminate this and now the ship is totally Klingon.)
4. TNG - introduces the D'Deridex class Romulan warbird with the bird motif. The Klingons are still using BoPs, but they are also using Vor'chas that harken back to the D7/K't'inga battlecruiser origins.
5. ENT "Minefield" - introduces a 22nd century Romulan BoP that while harkening back to the original TOS design, looks far too modern in both design and color to the 24th century D'Deridex and Dominion warship (re: nacelle design). There is no bird motif because apparently the producers asked the VFX department to remove it.
6. ENT "The Expanse" - introduces a 22nd century Klingon BoP with the bird motif, the conclusion of which seems to be that now both the Klingons and the Romulans designed ships with a bird motif completely independently of each other for no real good reason, instead of the original premise of the Romulans doing it first and the Klingons following suit after some sort of technology exchange in the mid-23rd century.
The Klingon D-7 is very bird like to my eye.
Completely agree with this.
Season 1 and 2 could have taken place in the 25th or even a few years before PICARD. First, it would have eliminated all the tech look discussions. Second, the writers would not have been backed into the canon corner on prequels.
They could still do the jump to centuries later just as we saw already.
Making DISCOVERY season 1 and 2 hamstrung them in too many ways. So much so that they felt the need to go so far forward as to be almost too much. Overcompensating, basically.
There have been canon decision mistakes made in the past, but a lot of them can be chalked up to being confined to an episode or two for each, with relatively few spanning across the entire franchise. This one is just too big to ignore.
Tech appearance aside, Burnham is Spock's adoptive human sister? The spore drive? The Red Angel Suit?
Granted, Spock was always very hush-hush about his family, and "Lethe" answered that question of why there was such a rift between Spock and Sarek, so Burnham's relation with him can get a pass.
But the spore drive and Red Angel suit were ridiculous.
Granted, Spock was always very hush-hush about his family, and "Lethe" answered that question of why there was such a rift between Spock and Sarek, so Burnham's relation with him can get a pass.
But the spore drive and Red Angel suit were ridiculous.
Yes, she is.
Not sure what either the RAS or the spore drive have to do with canon "mistakes". Is there something in an episode/film that contradicts their existence?
Some fans don't like to have their intelligence insulted when they're told something is a 'visual reboot' (and that we shouldn't trust what our eyes have been showing us for the last 50 years) when it's quite clearly a full reboot.
When they actually change something story related, then I'll care. Window dressing is a low priority. My "intelligence" is rarely insulted by upgraded sets and SFX.
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