Obi-Wan hears Palpatine refer to Anakin as "Lord Vader" in the Jedi Temple recording and then Yoda refers to him as "Darth Vader" later in the same scene.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt4G6RPrO64
What's the deal with R2-D2?
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Obi-Wan hears Palpatine refer to Anakin as "Lord Vader" in the Jedi Temple recording and then Yoda refers to him as "Darth Vader" later in the same scene.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt4G6RPrO64
I'm aware of that, but I'm not really interested in it.
Basically, I now have an excuse to go back and watch the saga again, it seems.
Odd... the clip is squished into a TV-screen aspect ratio even though it's showing in a widescreen window. And stretching Yoda vertically like that, interestingly, makes him look like an actor in makeup.
What I want to know is, why did they think it was a good idea to hide Anakin's son Luke from him by taking him to be raised on Anakin's homeworld of Tattooine, by Anakin's own relatives, and letting him keep the surname "Skywalker?"
Well, I thought that whole thing was rather silly myself, but if I had to come up with an explanation, perhaps Yoda and Obi-Wan believed that the planet held so many traumatic memories for Anakin that he might not want to return. In 'A New Hope,' he remained in orbit when search parties were dispatched to the planet's surface.
It's the site where he had to leave his mother, thus (in his mind) allowing her to eventually be killed by Sandpeople because he wasn't there to protect her. It's where she's buried, and he might not want her to "see him" in his current condition out of shame. It's where he met Padme for the first time, which is a reminder that he basically killed her. It's where he first met his master Obi-Wan, which is a reminder of his betrayal of Obi-Wan and of Obi-Wan's defeat of him.
Additionally, what greater torture could there be to someone whose body and personality were essentially destroyed then to be reminded of the innocent boy he used to be? He loathes himself and what he's become, and would try and avoid any painful reminders of who he was before he turned to evil.
As far as the Skywalker name being retained, it's likely that Yoda and Obi-Wan always intended for Luke to eventually challenge Vader, so they kept the name to indicate to Anakin when the time came for Luke to go public that this was his son. They changed Leia's name to keep her in reserve as a backup plan in case Luke failed.
the novel I, Jedi has Corran Horn posit that Luke's name wasn't changed in order to give him an incentive to fight and defeat Vader and to clear the name. Horn rips into Luke about his training methods at one point and tells him that Obi-Wan and Yoda created a Jedi weapon in Luke, not a true Jedi Knight.
Isn't it? Vader does kill the emperor and bring balance to the force as prophesised. It just took a while.
Ol Scratch
Lieutenant Commander
When was Vader ever shown to be more powerful than the Emperor? The closest is when he picked up a crochety old man who's attention was focused elsewhere and tossed him over the ledge, killing himself in the process.
Considering how ridiculously powerful they've made the Emperor, especially in the expanded universe, there's just no way Vader would have stood a chance against him in a proper fight.
^My understanding is that if he hadn't been so severely injured in his fight on Mustafar with Obi-Wan, Anakin would have gone on to become much more powerful than he was.
Instead, his life-support system prevented him from using Force Lightning and his connection to the Force was considerably weakened.
Instead, his life-support system prevented him from using Force Lightning and his connection to the Force was considerably weakened.
They weren't direct blood relatives but through marriage. Also while Luke carried the name Skywalker, Owen and Beru's surname was Lars so their moisture farm would be the "Lars place" not the "Skywalker place".
Besides, that Tattooine is about as backwater as they come in the SW verse. Most likely the Lars didn't have to worry to much about anything like schools or govt. offices-- beyond taxes. Any one wearing a imp uniform comes sniffing around, send Luke out to tend to the vaporators, or just say that yeah he's their nephew and that his mother and father abandoned him with the lars when he was born.
Funny you say this because a rumour was floating around back in '82-'83. Now before all you kids scoff, remember this was back before the internet(yeah, I know, there actually WAS a time "before the internet"). Before we knew who "The Other" was, some people actually speculated it MAY be R2-D2.
Remember the scene in ANH when R5-D4 explodes after being chosen Uncle Owen chooses him. If you watch the scene carefully you will see thta JUST before "Red" explodes, R2 turns his head, almost as if to intently focus on him.
Some people speculated that he had SOME kind of Force ability and was manipulating events so he could get to Obi Wan.
I think of that EVERY time I see that scene.
Well, yes, obviously. But the point is that Anakin knew them personally. Whether biological or through marriage, they were family, and they lived on his own home planet. So logically that's not a good place to hide from Darth Vader.
Yes, as I and others have been discussing earlier in the thread.
I always intepreted it as Artoo beaming some kind of signal, maybe a microwave pulse, that overloaded R5's circuits.
Of course, if droids are self-aware, would this count as murder?
Ol Scratch
Lieutenant Commander
No. He didn't kill the droid, just took out his "motivator." Whatever that is.
the droid's brain.
^^No, a "motivator" would literally be something that promotes action. Etymologically speaking, it's closely related to "motor." I always interpreted it to be a drive system, the mechanism that allows a droid to move around or use its systems. Blowing out a droid's motivator would paralyze it, not kill it.
Aha, and Wookieepedia backs me up:
In short, it's the engine.
Aha, and Wookieepedia backs me up:
In short, it's the engine.
According to the expanded universe, it was in fact his motivator, and "Red" blew it himself after befriending Artoo in the sandcrawler and learning how important it was that he be liberated in order to continue his mission. Of course the key phrase here being "expanded universe".
Oh I believe it, that's why my R5-D4 toy has a little lightsaber rubber banded to him... and he's wearing a cloak. 
It was a cute story, but I'm not counting it as canon. But R2 on the other hand is a stealth Jedi master. He's just BS'ing us about being simply a droid. He'll probably duel Grevious to a draw if allowed to
It was a cute story, but I'm not counting it as canon. But R2 on the other hand is a stealth Jedi master. He's just BS'ing us about being simply a droid. He'll probably duel Grevious to a draw if allowed to
The scary part is, I can almost picture this fight with R2's "ability to whip out anything necessary for the situation" capability.
^ Would R2-D2 have enough time to prepare?
It's a recording of inspirational sayings by Anthony Robbins and Dr. Phil to make the droid feel better about itself and to point out the value of the work it does.
It's a recording of inspirational sayings by Anthony Robbins and Dr. Phil to make the droid feel better about itself and to point out the value of the work it does.
