What's the deal with R2-D2?

[Ol Scratch]

Would R2 have served Vader in the absence of another owner?

Of course not, even with an inhibitor doodad, Artoo is sentient and a strong sense of what's right and wrong. When he was sold to Luke's uncle, one of the first things he did was trick Luke into take the inhibitor off so he could escape -- clearly being someone's possession isn't an option for him.

He serves who he wants how he wants, just like any other free-willed individual. And just like any other free-willed individual, if you capture him and shackle him, he'll devote his resources to finding a way to escape that situation.

So, clearly, Artoo eventually discovers just how evil Vader/Anakin is and breaks off his relationship with him. No question about it.

As to why he didn't tell Luke or even Threepio? Probably similiar if not exactly the same reasons Ben and Yoda didn't volunteer the information.

 

[Christopher]

Scenes I'd like to see:

VADER: C-3PO... I am your father!
C-3PO: Oh, my word!

Because he is, you know. I guess Threepio is Luke and Leia's brother in a sense.

 

[captcalhoun]

i would've thought Anakin being Vader was common knowledge since he was supposedly a famous Clone Wars hero, so i think if he suddenly showed up with the Emperor as 'Vader' people would recognise him...

then, again, i suppose in that breath mask and gubbins...and he didn't appear publicly with the Emperor before his ill-fated trip to Mustafar...

 

[Hermiod]

As to why he didn't tell Luke or even Threepio? Probably similiar if not exactly the same reasons Ben and Yoda didn't volunteer the information.

We all know Threepio doesn't listen to him.

i would've thought Anakin being Vader was common knowledge since he was supposedly a famous Clone Wars hero, so i think if he suddenly showed up with the Emperor as 'Vader' people would recognise him...

then, again, i suppose in that breath mask and gubbins...and he didn't appear publicly with the Emperor before his ill-fated trip to Mustafar...

That's another question - how does Obi-Wan know that Anakin is Darth Vader ? Anakin is never refered to as such in Obi-Wan's presence and then he leaves Anakin to die after beating him in their fight.

 

[Marc]

That's another question - how does Obi-Wan know that Anakin is Darth Vader ? Anakin is never refered to as such in Obi-Wan's presence and then he leaves Anakin to die after beating him in their fight.

Go back and watch Jedi

Though when we cross over from movies to the books (and questions of what's canon) Dark Lord : The Rise of Darth Vader covers this.

Many believe that Anakin was one of the many Jedi causalities, Obi Wan knows (as later events show) some like Bail Organa put two and two together.

 

[Hermiod]

Go back and watch Jedi

I can't believe I'm asking this, but why ? (I have seen RotJ so many times it should be burned in to my brain by now)

Though when we cross over from movies to the books (and questions of what's canon) Dark Lord : The Rise of Darth Vader covers this.

Many believe that Anakin was one of the many Jedi causalities, Obi Wan knows (as later events show) some like Bail Organa put two and two together.

I tend to only go by what's in the films. It's the Star Trek fan in me.

 

[Booji]

That's another question - how does Obi-Wan know that Anakin is Darth Vader ? Anakin is never refered to as such in Obi-Wan's presence and then he leaves Anakin to die after beating him in their fight.

Doesn't the Emperor say to Yoda during their fight is ROTS that "Vader" will become more powerful than either of them? Hence, they know who he is.

 

[Ol Scratch]

That's another question - how does Obi-Wan know that Anakin is Darth Vader ? Anakin is never refered to as such in Obi-Wan's presence and then he leaves Anakin to die after beating him in their fight.

Let's see, he's one of the last remaining master Jedis in the galaxy, he knew exactly where Yoda was, and both have the ability to sense others and/or see into the future.

How would he not know? Especially since Anakin was his padawan? Even Vader could recognize who Obi-Wan was and when he was near.

 

[Hermiod]

That's another question - how does Obi-Wan know that Anakin is Darth Vader ? Anakin is never refered to as such in Obi-Wan's presence and then he leaves Anakin to die after beating him in their fight.

Doesn't the Emperor say to Yoda during their fight is ROTS that "Vader" will become more powerful than either of them? Hence, they know who he is.

Ah yes, now I remember. Of course, that turned out not to be true.

 

[Marc]

Go back and watch Jedi

I can't believe I'm asking this, but why ? (I have seen RotJ so many times it should be burned in to my brain by now)

Give you a hint - the scene in the swamp where Obi Wan confirms to Luke that Vader formerly known as Anakin Skywalker is his father.

 

[Hermiod]

Give you a hint - the scene in the swamp where Obi Wan confirms to Luke that Vader formerly known as Anakin Skywalker is his father.

I'm looking at the dialogue from that scene and it just seems to say that Obi-Wan knows, not how he knows.

 

[Ol Scratch]

Let's put it this way: How would he not know?

 

[Hermiod]

Let's put it this way: How would he not know?

Well, let's consider what Obi-Wan actually sees during the film:

1) Obi-Wan defeats Anakin and watches as his legs and arms are burned away leaving him immobile on a dangerously unstable, molten surface. At that point there is no reason for Obi-Wan to assume that Anakin could survive that. He is long gone by the time Palpatine arrives to rescue Anakin.

2) Obi-Wan and Yoda do not know how far Palpatine's plans to become Emperor reach. They had no idea that Palpatine was working with Dooku or General Grievous. They have no reason not to suspect that he might have other allies. For all they know, Vader may be some previously unknown apprentice of Dooku's. (Note that I am not considering the existence of Asaji Ventress here, where she was during this film is not clear)

3) At no point in Revenge of the Sith does Obi-Wan hear Anakin referred to as "Darth Vader". He does see brief footage of Anakin's attack on the Jedi Temple but that's it.

4) Yoda hears Palpatine refer to him as "Darth Vader" but we do not see him pass that name on to Obi-Wan.

5) None of the Jedi at the Temple or the Seperatist leaders who might have heard the name Vader survive long enough to tell anyone about it.

He might put two and two together or he might feel Anakin's presence through the Force whenever Vader is near.

 

[Ol Scratch]

I think you're missing the big thing.

They're Jedi. They have this ability to, you know, sense things. Especially when in the presence of other Jedi. You're also ignoring Vader's own admittance of this powers when he senses Obi-Wan is nearby for the first time. You're also ignoring that Yoda is somewhat precognitive and that both he and Obi-Wan obviously kept in contact to a degree after Revenge of the Sith (else Obi-Wan wouldn't have been able to tell Luke where to go to find him).

Basically, you're ignoring pretty much everything about the Force and its wielders.

 

[Hermiod]

No I'm not:

He might put two and two together or he might feel Anakin's presence through the Force whenever Vader is near.

 

[SeerSGB]

Well ANH would have been a big clue if Obi-Wan didn't know by: "When I left you I was but a learner..." Obi-Wan only ever had one Padawan: Anakin. Wouldn't be a big leap of logic for Obi-Wan to say "Oh shit...it's Anakin."

 

[Lindley]

I tend to only go by what's in the films. It's the Star Trek fan in me.

Missing out on 90% of the storyline then.....just FYI.

 

[Hermiod]

I tend to only go by what's in the films. It's the Star Trek fan in me.

Missing out on 90% of the storyline then.....just FYI.

Possibly. I have seen the Clone Wars animated series and the subsequent CG movie. I will watch the series based on that when it's out on DVD.

 

[Lindley]

Well, as neat as some of the "fill-in-the-blanks" entries are, I was actually referring to the tales taking the storyline forward past ROTJ.

 

[SeerSGB]

I tend to only go by what's in the films. It's the Star Trek fan in me.

Missing out on 90% of the storyline then.....just FYI.

To be honest, as much as I enjoyed reading the EU, for me-- and I'm sure a lot of others-- the "story" is really just the movies. Everything else...take it or leave it.