What's next for the Lit Verse

[Christopher]

I read somewhere that "according to CBS, all tie-in media for the new Star Trek series are considered canon". Can anyone verify this?

Sounds to me like a misinterpretation of the fact that the producers are making a more hands-on effort to keep the tie-ins consistent with the shows -- which in no way requires the shows to reciprocate. Heck, canons aren't even under any obligation to stay consistent with themselves -- just ask Bobby Ewing or Chuck Cunningham.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Heck, canons aren't even under any obligation to stay consistent with themselves -- just ask Bobby Ewing or Chuck Cunningham.

. . . or John Watson, MD. Or Glinda the Good.

 

[E-DUB]

Part of the thing about Tie-ins to ongoing series is that the author is duty-bound to put all the toys back in the box the way they found them. Not that there aren't good stories to be found in that form of book, but such a restriction knowingly sacrifices a certain depth that could be obtained in something a little more expansive such as the ongoing litverse was. I especially expect the sort of "cross pollination" that we've seen in the past to not occur.

 

[Greg Cox]

. . . or John Watson, MD. Or Glinda the Good.

As I'm fond of pointing out, the original ZORRO novel by Johnston McCulley ended quite decisively with Don Diego revealing his true identity to the world before retiring to live happily ever after with Carlotta. McCulley had no intention of writing any sequels, let alone turning Zorro into a series.

Then the Douglas Fairbanks movie transformed Zorro into a cash cow and McCulley shrewdly and shamelessly ignored the ending of his own novel to keep on writing Zorro novels, many of which, as I recall, took a rather laissez-faire approach to continuity.

(Wife? What wife?)

 

[indianatrekker26]

I like the idea of one shot books form my favorite tv series too. Like Tng, Ds9 Ent and Voyager too. It's my hope it will happen someday.

It's what I loved the most about TNG Shadows Have Offended. Just going on a new adventure with classic TNG characters. And it was it's own complete story. I didnt feel overwhelmed by the litverse that I've only read bits and pieces of.

 

[JD]

No tie-in novels are ever truly "canon" because they can and will be overridden by the screen version if the need arises.

That's just the nature of the beast. And I can't imagine that CBS ever claimed otherwise.

Never mind what some dude on the internet claims.

Even the Star Wars books and comics, which Lucasfilm's people insisted were canon, have been contradicted by the TV shows. The first episode of The Bad Batch features a different version of what happened to Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarrus during Order 66 from what was in the Kanan comic, and I believe the way Cobb Vanth ended up with Boba Fett's armor in The Mandalorian is different from how he got it in one of the Aftermath books.
The interesting thing is that Vanth was originally created just for the Aftermath book, so they brought the character over into the show, but didn't actually follow his story in the book. The Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarrus situation was similar, there was stuff that was similar to what we got in the comic, but a lot of it was different.

 

[Christopher]

Even the Star Wars books and comics, which Lucasfilm's people insisted were canon, have been contradicted by the TV shows. The first episode of The Bad Batch features a different version of what happened to Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarrus during Order 66 from what was in the Kanan comic, and I believe the way Cobb Vanth ended up with Boba Fett's armor in The Mandalorian is different from how he got it in one of the Aftermath books.
The interesting thing is that Vanth was originally created just for the Aftermath book, so they brought the character over into the show, but didn't actually follow his story in the book. The Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarrus situation was similar, there was stuff that was similar to what we got in the comic, but a lot of it was different.

"What I told you was canonical... from a certain point of view."

 

[Enterprise1701]

Even the Star Wars books and comics, which Lucasfilm's people insisted were canon, have been contradicted by the TV shows. The first episode of The Bad Batch features a different version of what happened to Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarrus during Order 66 from what was in the Kanan comic, and I believe the way Cobb Vanth ended up with Boba Fett's armor in The Mandalorian is different from how he got it in one of the Aftermath books.

Whoa, are you telling me that the clones of the Clone Wars didn't come from Spaarti cloning cylinders? And Luuke Skywalker isn't real?

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Whoa, are you telling me that the clones of the Clone Wars didn't come from Spaarti cloning cylinders? And Luuke Skywalker isn't real?

Luuke Skywalker isn't real, and neither is Luke Skyywalker.

 

[USS Firefly]

Luuke Skywalker isn't real, and neither is Luke Skyywalker.

You are just jealous that you are not a Jedi and don't have a lightsaber

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I see your Schwartz is as big as mine. Let's see how well you handle it.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Starr.

 

[Bryan Levy]

What part of the movie is this?

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

What part of the movie is this?

The part where Lone Star and Dark Helmet have their Schwartz duel, of course.

 

[Bryan Levy]

The part where Lone Star and Dark Helmet have their Schwartz duel, of course.

I should have gone with, “When does this happen in the movie?”

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Spaceballs: The Movie

The Schwartz duel is after Spaceball One transforms into MegaMaid, and right after Lone Star finds the self-destruct button.
"Before you die . . ." is time index 1:12:20.
"I see your Schwartz is as big as mine . . ." is time index 1:12:57
(The exact quote is "You have the ring . . . and I see your Schwartz is as big as mine. . . . Now, let's see how well you . . . handle it.")

Bonus quotes:

John Hurt (as himself, in the diner scene, after a chestburster emerges): "Oh, no, not again." (time index 1:23:45)

Chestburster: (doing a Michigan J. Frog impression) "Hello, ma baby, hello ma honey, hello ma ragtime gal. . . ." (time index 1:24:00)

Two Apes on horseback (after the head of MegaMaid has crash-landed on a beach, even as Prince Lone Star is on his way to crash Princess Vespa's wedding to Prince Valium): "Dear me, what are those things coming out of her nose?" "Spaceballs!?" "Oh, shit. There goes the planet." (time index 1:27:43)

 

[Enterprise1701]

@hbquikcomjamesl Uh, I think @Bryan Levy is citing the dialogue "When does this happen in the movie?"

 

[Bryan Levy]

My lack of specificity blew the initial joke. We’ll give him a pass on this one.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

@hbquikcomjamesl Uh, I think @Bryan Levy is citing the dialogue "When does this happen in the movie?"

Now. You're looking at now, sir. Everything that happens now is happening now.

(I'm such a Spaceball.)

 

[USS Firefly]

I see your Schwartz is as big as mine. Let's see how well you handle it.

With both hands