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What's keeping me out of the theatre....
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If you post that on a Julia Roberts fan site you may get more than 4 pages of discussion.
The information comes from John Eaves blog, our own Shaw posted the information in his art thread. My apologizes to Shaw for reposting it here, but I had no luck finding the original quote on Eaves' blog.
I do, however, remember reading it originally on the blog.
I read that Nimoy was almost fired as well, when the producers caught him with pictures of himself as TOS-era Spock. Fortunately, he was able to convince them that the pictures were actually of Martin Landau.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Right back at you.
Right back at you.
Let's try to look at this positively...the "forget everything you know" is not directed at us...we can't forget.....it's directed at the general audience advising them to forget everything they've ever heard about Star Trek and to come join the Trek party. That is how I'm choosing to view that line...I don't think they want to purposefully alienate older or TOS fans. I think as time goes on you just might soften up towards the movie. I know when I joined the board I was railing against the film...but after talking about it to death and sharing viewpoints I've really come around now...... We have to face it Warped...TOS is never coming back.....so either it can just remain "as is" and perhaps fade away.... or we can move with it to new adventures. We'll always have TOS and I betchya TOS is going to gain a new audience outta this. People will be curious to see "the originals"...I know I would be if I were seeing this for the first time.
Luckily, jobs and opportinities are plentiful in today's booming economy.
Next time I know someone who gets shitcanned for a stupid reason, I'll try that on him to make him feel better.
Most of my co-workers are not ST fans..this movie is aimed at them..not to people that have an almost religious dogmatic attachment to Star Trek...the NASCAR tie-in commercials..the E-surance ads etc. show that this film is aimed at John Q Public..the real force behind Summer Block-busters..it's not aimed at an ever smaller fan base of folks who go to conventions and the like...the average age audience for films such as this is is 10 to 25...THATS the age that new fans are made..Nemesis had an average age of 25 to 40 when it premiered,showing that Fandom was getting OLD and choking on it's own dogma.. If this film can make NEW fans of the show.. Good for it...
I'll be there THIS weekend..popcorn in hand..supporting the film not dragging it down..until AFTER I see it..
And no amount of naysaying will change my mind..just as no amout of" Yes!!" will change others..
I'll be there THIS weekend..popcorn in hand..supporting the film not dragging it down..until AFTER I see it..
And no amount of naysaying will change my mind..just as no amout of" Yes!!" will change others..
Right back at you.
Let's try to look at this positively...the "forget everything you know" is not directed at us...we can't forget.....it's directed at the general audience advising them to forget everything they've ever heard about Star Trek and to come join the Trek party. That is how I'm choosing to view that line...I don't think they want to purposefully alienate older or TOS fans. I think as time goes on you just might soften up towards the movie. I know when I joined the board I was railing against the film...but after talking about it to death and sharing viewpoints I've really come around now...... We have to face it Warped...TOS is never coming back.....so either it can just remain "as is" and perhaps fade away.... or we can move with it to new adventures. We'll always have TOS and I betchya TOS is going to gain a new audience outta this. People will be curious to see "the originals"...I know I would be if I were seeing this for the first time.
Forget everything still irks me.. as does this is not your father's trek... or Finally a Star Trek Film for Everyone. Who is this "Everyone" and Why is he better than Me? It connotes that something was wrong with previous Trek Movies.. or more so with TOS itself... Why did'nt they just use this Tagline.. " Finally a Trek you Won't Be embarrased to say you've seen with your cool chic Friends".. Or "Finally a Star Trek you don't have to be a Nerd to see". That's the Vibe I get.
I will see this but I'm dissapointed that the suits still think Youth and rebelliousness is the only cool things that validate a film. That Ideas, concepts.. and Story are second to it. I think if even if this Trek had maintained cannon 100% but still wrapped it in what many are calling it's 90210 trappings many here would still be dissapointed. I'm a child of the 60's I appreciated Trek for what it was, I'll try to enjoy the movie for what it is.
Well if they are going to go that route at least gives us some gratutious nudity.
It's a strait forward question. If they wanted a straight reboot, with no connection to what has come before, why go this route with time travel and an alternate timeline. They could've just had Nimoy as the older Spock recounting this first adventure as a nod to the old show. No Time Travel, No alteration of the timeline, the series and the new movie would be two seperate entities, the movie just based on the series. That's basically what Galactica did, they did'nt say Olmos's character was related to Lorne Green's Character. It's like they wanted their cake and eat it too.
I just don't understand the need.
I just don't understand the need.
Apparently, Paramount is only ever the bad guy if Harlan Ellison is involved, right, Dennis?
And most people don't even realize that Verhoeven meant 'Starship Troopers' to be a satire, either... Granted, it wasn't totally successful.
Well, nuBSG was based on the original, they just felt content to throw out whatever they wanted to in favor of new material. Ultimately, I think this was a strength for them, and ultimately, if they were going to reboot Trek, I think they should have started with a totally clean slate too, keeping only what they wanted to keep. If they were rebooting it, they should have went ahead and re-thought everything as far as I'm concerned.
I think they thought Trekkies (myself included) would react better (and potentially not feel alienated) if we had our hands held by the reassurance that this was 'just' an alternate timeline. That may work for some people, but I find it unnecessary. A nice mark of respect, perhaps, but ultimately unnecessary.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
If true, that's downright shameful. However, I've certainly seen even worse behavior from management ... it just reinforces that these guys don't get my money (though I wasn't gonna go anyway.)
Now I have no problem with waiting for somebody to generate a pirate copy for me to view, but I'd just as soon (as in NEVER) pay to see something John Landis made as pay to see something from these jokers.
I've seen an interesting fallout myself ... after averaging about 15-18 articles a year from two sources over the last 18 months, in the time since my trek article aborted (because Paramount PR fouled up and ILM PR delayed and obfuscated and even did some fibbing), I have gotten NO assignments from anyplace. Since my writing quality hadn't declined, I gotta figure it is an outside influence (either paramount, or some unfriendly body from a BBS pitching BS to the mags direct.) Definitely enough to set the paranoia
Yeah, really. Let's just gloss over the hugely wrong, disrespectful, shortsighted and idiotic management environment that led to firing him. For attempting to get the scale of the new ship right!? No, we can't have that. Must fire.
That story really puts the fly in my soup.
I share the anxiety that this film is going to be a cookie-cutter Hollywood action flick with a Star Trek backdrop. And fat nacelles. I'll see the film, but I really don't expect any more than that. I'm setting myself up for pleasant surprise, let's put it that way.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Today I watched a lady I've worked with for years led out of the building in mid-shift by the new mgmt person (executive hatchetman actually), supposedly because she refused an order. When I asked the guy who is in theory the store manager if what I just saw was what I thought it was, this guy (a VietNam vet who has seen some SERIOUS shit, both in the air and on the ground) just retracted his cahones and said that if people can't be agreeable, they're gone.
