What's keeping me out of the theatre....

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Warped9, Apr 14, 2009.

  1. Cakes488

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    yes...yes...YES..........YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    oops another orgasm at work....I need to get a new chair at this point.
     
  2. trevanian

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    That would have worked for me. Also, assuming the original film elements are available (even just some of them), I wouldn't have a huge objection to their being recomped to minimize the matte line issue so many folks are hung up on.
     
  3. Praetor

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    That is actually an incredibly good idea... although I have a suspicion that they are no longer available for recompositing.

    I feel shallow admitting it, but I wish if they'd recreated the effects they'd have used a model, of the Enterprise at least. It's not that I dislike CGI, it's just that I can almost always tell, and on some level it bugs me. (And I realize that this was financially unlikely.)
     
  4. trevanian

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    I keep reading that they have been 'lost' but I just don't know that I believe it. I mean, it took them something like two decades to unearth all the music tapes from TOS, they were in a basement or under a stage, I think. Plus, if you recall, Irwin Allen shows passed elements back and forth at Fox on occasion, so if there was ever another Paramount space show, they could probably have dusted off and reused the TOS elements, and it is hard to believe they'd throw away a potential nickel-saver like that (if that sounds unlikely, remember that in the late 80s, a whole tv series was being planned around reusing the space fx from BSG78, the thing that David Gerrold messed with awhile.)
     
  5. Praetor

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    Maybe they're just 'lost' as in they still exist but no one knows where they are? If the 33" model can be similarly lost, I don't see why that couldn't be the case for the film...
     
  6. Jimmy_C

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    This review says that the new Star Trek movie is much more than a mindless popcorn flick:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...critic-gives-verdict-new-Star-Trek-movie.html
     
  7. Tyson

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    I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. I am not a "purist" as most people would define one when it comes to Star Trek, I can even buy the basic premise of the new film; however everything Abrams and his writers are the most over hyped people in Hollywood right now. Nothing they've made has hinted to me that they're capable of producing something intellectually stimulating like that in any genuine capacity.

    They're golden boys right now and everybody has been and will continue to eat out of their asses until they stop making cash.
     
  8. Warped9

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    When I look at a remastered transfer of 2001: A Space Odyssey or even Forbidden Planet I can see what f/x were possible in the 60s. It would be expensive and wholly unrealistic perhaps but I think it would have been more authentic looking and more faithful to the original artistic integrity if the new f/x looked like genuine state of the art '60s production and not so obviously early 21st century cgi. I just find the distinction between the remaining live-action footage and the new cgi jarring and something of a disconnect.
     
  9. trevanian

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    So is the story about GR's kid breaking that model now not legit anymore? I think that was the story that circulated about a decade back, and it fit with GR having taken the model home with him when the series ended.
     
  10. Praetor

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    Exactly! Well said. :)

    Last I heard, Majel, God rest her soul, said Gene loaned it to someone for something and it was not returned, and then when it was asked for back it had been lost, and apparently they couldn't (or wouldn't) press charges of theft for some reason. She never said who, to my knowledge. I'll try to find a link.
     
  11. Captain Robert April

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    Rod was asked about the model (the strongest rumor had him throwing it in the pool when he was a little kid), and while it does sound like something he might've done as a kid, no, didn't happen.
     
  12. Praetor

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    Yeah, Rod seems like a pretty honest guy to me. Unless there's been a massive cover-up on his behalf, I doubt he 'did it in.'

    I'm curious who the model was loaned to, and while that person's identity wasn't revealed for public stoning.
     
  13. RAMA

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    First of all, you're still judging it by a few minutes of footage. There is no reason an ACTION movie can't be good, hell STII was an action movie to a great extent. Maybe you could consider ST(2009) to be a fairly smart action movie and see it on that level. I'm not really trying to convince you or anyone, I know you are pre-disposed to be close-minded, but its something to consider. ST really isn't losing anything by losing fans like this.

    RAMA
     
  14. Warped9

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    I said out, dammit!
    Wto words: De caf. ;)

    I'm with ya, Warped. I'll see it for free (got theater passes from work). I may even enjoy the film. But I'll never like what they did to the look of it all.
     
  16. USS Mariner

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    Why I'm not paying? Here's three reasons:

    • Geoffrey Mandel was fired for making a comparison picture of the original and the new ship for himself and putting it on his office wall.
    • Transformers was written by Orci Kurtzman, and it came of as even more retarted than the cartoon.
    • All of Abrams' work to date comes off as pompous, self-important clusterfucks, and he manages to grab decent actors and punish them with consistently sub-par material.

    Abrams, the studio management, and the writing staff won't get near an ounce of my money. However, out of respect for the actors and production staff, I will watch it. Maybe it'll make me interested in their other works later on.

    Arrest me. :rolleyes:
     
  17. cooleddie74

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    A Clone Wars-style TOS CGI film would be pretty damn sweet, even if you couldn't get any of the classic actors to reprise their roles. Just get voice-over artists who sound close enough to the original actors and that'd be good enough for most of us.
     
  18. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Really?

    BFD. Employment at will.
     
  19. Gary7

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    Nobody would get fired for something like that. There must have been something else and perhaps there was a "complaint" from someone about the photo montage about the same time... thus someone said 'It was because he had that comparison picture of the old and new Enterprise.'


    ANYWAY...

    Nimoy is on the record for being VERY bullish on the movie. Now of course, he's in it... he couldn't possibly bash it publicly without risk of libel. He could, however, be cryptic and brief with comments, explaining it as "not giving anything away" if he personally wasn't all that crazy about it (just "collect the pay check and run"). But no, he openly stated how moved he was by how things went, being visibly emotionally touched (during an interview).

    Based on the scenes, seeing it in the big theater is going to be quite an experience. Even if it bastardizes the original Star Trek universe, it's going to be a fun ride. Worthy of a sequel? That remains to be seen.
     
  20. Temis the Vorta

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    Expecting a lo of "intelligence" from a two-hour, big-budget extravaganza popcorn movie is unfair. Trek should be smart, but that's better conveyed in the long format that TV allows. Movies are expected to spend a great deal of effort on action and SFX, while on TV the priorities are different.

    Ideally, we'll have movies every couple years for the wizz-bang and TV every week for part of the year, for the relationships, character development, and smarts.