Well now that we are all at peace and one big happy Federation family why not resurrect it?
Whatever happened to the Genesis technology?
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Weapon of mass destuction on file. Do not use unless one intends to violate treaties, would be my guess.
I highly doubt the Romulans or Cardassians would react well if Genesis was brought back into production. Not only from a weapons stand point, but also from creating new Federation M-class planets in sectors were there were no such planets. Potentally changing the balance of power just by having an easy to live on, easy to construct a starbase on planet anywhere in Federation space. Including in the quiet parts of the border regions were no one would have as many ships because no one should be out there.
Also I wouldn't want to risk having it fall into the Dominion's hands. They could remake Bajor in six minutes from a single torpedo. And tha Breen attack on Earth would have destroyed all life on the planet from a single hit on San Francisco.
I highly doubt the Romulans or Cardassians would react well if Genesis was brought back into production. Not only from a weapons stand point, but also from creating new Federation M-class planets in sectors were there were no such planets. Potentally changing the balance of power just by having an easy to live on, easy to construct a starbase on planet anywhere in Federation space. Including in the quiet parts of the border regions were no one would have as many ships because no one should be out there.
Also I wouldn't want to risk having it fall into the Dominion's hands. They could remake Bajor in six minutes from a single torpedo. And tha Breen attack on Earth would have destroyed all life on the planet from a single hit on San Francisco.
^Precisely. A weapon of mass destruction turned the Romulan Empire upside-down and inside-out. The use of another device by the Federation would have caused more problems than it solved.
--Sran
--Sran
Give everyone the device and create a new treaty like MAD
It be easier to just not make more. The design team is dead and all. The secrets are more or less gone. Only Carol is left and given how much death has happened around her project, including that of her son, I don't think she'd been all that excited about starting over.
"Life from Lifelessness" Yes, but at what cost, Doctor?
"Life from Lifelessness" Yes, but at what cost, Doctor?
There's also the fact they had to use it on a planet with absolutely no signs of life of any kind. No germs, no plant life, nada. According to TWOK that's harder to find than it sounds, and Starfleets sensors can have trouble telling if humans and crustacean-things are around.
Sounds like an easy way to accidentally commit...genocide? Xenocide?
I figured it was in that episode where Marcus was brought up for the only time ever postTWOK, and I'd just forgotten the technobabble. Nice to see I was wrong and Voyager managed to live up to its reputation.
Sounds like an easy way to accidentally commit...genocide? Xenocide?
I figured it was in that episode where Marcus was brought up for the only time ever postTWOK, and I'd just forgotten the technobabble. Nice to see I was wrong and Voyager managed to live up to its reputation.
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Genesis was a failure. The purpose was to create new planets for settlements. The problem was, without protomatter, the process would take maybe 5 million years to do. With protomatter, you have a big booom, and a fully formed planet and environment in maybe a week. But a week later the planet destroys itself. FAILURE.
But as a pure weapon its golden. Surprising they would not have used that on the borg...
But as a pure weapon its golden. Surprising they would not have used that on the borg...
My god even the holier then thou Starfleet would not use one of those torpedoes against the Borg.
Although yeah it would be an interesting thing to try, against say a cube or two.
In theory the power of GENESIS surpasses that of V'Ger. in theory a single genesis device could destroy V'Ger.
Starfleet has only been able to destroy Borg ships at massive losses to itself. SO something that powerful would be vital.
In the episode Worf won/didn't win the batleth tournament on the Klingon homeworld and ended up in a diferent dimension, we learned that in one dimension star fleet had been able to capture the cube at Wolf 359 and had an instant retaliatory invasion by every borg vessel and all of humanity was destroyed.
If its humane to build a large matter/antimatter warhead into the nose of every Defiant class with the purpose of ramming it into a borg cube to cause about the same damage as a Galaxy class warp core breach. Then a single genesis device could be humane as well.
Consider most humans in the trek universe consider killing drones to be an act of mercy for the drone.
Starfleet has only been able to destroy Borg ships at massive losses to itself. SO something that powerful would be vital.
In the episode Worf won/didn't win the batleth tournament on the Klingon homeworld and ended up in a diferent dimension, we learned that in one dimension star fleet had been able to capture the cube at Wolf 359 and had an instant retaliatory invasion by every borg vessel and all of humanity was destroyed.
If its humane to build a large matter/antimatter warhead into the nose of every Defiant class with the purpose of ramming it into a borg cube to cause about the same damage as a Galaxy class warp core breach. Then a single genesis device could be humane as well.
Consider most humans in the trek universe consider killing drones to be an act of mercy for the drone.
Now you have me imagining the visual of a Genesis torpedo hitting a borg cube. I imagine they can't adapt, and will be turned into something else.
Hey someome beat us to the party. They discussed the Borg vs Genesis here. Very interesting thread.
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-genesis-effect-vs-the-borg.96625/
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-genesis-effect-vs-the-borg.96625/
But what if they did adapt to it, they would have an even more terrible weapon on their hands.
David: Hey Grandad, do you have any ideas for our project?
Ultimate nightmare fuel...
Employ a Genesis Device as a von Neuman replicator (not to be confused with the Trek variety).
Basically as a MAD type doomsday weapon, program a G-torp to convert any object of sufficient mass into a near equal mass of G-torps! They fly off to strike new targets and convert that mass into even more G-torps. Repeat the cycle until all available matter, from a rock barely heavier than a G-torp itself to the mightiest star (black holes might be spare) is converted into G-torps, the process only stopping there is nothing but Genesis torpedoes (assuming they are programmed not to strike each other) or, if they attack anything including each other the process dwindles down to one last torpedo. (Gotta' account for the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Some energy will "lost" to waste heat.)
Sincerely,
Bill
Employ a Genesis Device as a von Neuman replicator (not to be confused with the Trek variety).
Basically as a MAD type doomsday weapon, program a G-torp to convert any object of sufficient mass into a near equal mass of G-torps! They fly off to strike new targets and convert that mass into even more G-torps. Repeat the cycle until all available matter, from a rock barely heavier than a G-torp itself to the mightiest star (black holes might be spare) is converted into G-torps, the process only stopping there is nothing but Genesis torpedoes (assuming they are programmed not to strike each other) or, if they attack anything including each other the process dwindles down to one last torpedo. (Gotta' account for the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Some energy will "lost" to waste heat.)
Sincerely,
Bill
Seems like Star Trek IV had a different representation of the Genesis project than in STIII. The Klingon Ambassador makes a statement the planet was for the Klingon people, then what was the point for Kruge to terrorize the USS Grissom and later attack Kirk? Seem the project could've benefited Praxas after they blew themselves up.
This is what he said: "The result of this awesome energy was euphemistically called 'The Genesis Planet' ...A secret base from which to launch the annihilation of the Klingon people!"
That doesn't mean he thought the planet was for the Klingons.
Kor
The Genesis project could've helped the Klingons on Praxas. Or at least give them another planet they could live on... if it's stabled.
in TBOBWs it is stated that once the crew of a borg cube find themselves compromised, ie the "go to sleep trick" they self destruct.
IN theory because drones/ships in voyager destroyed themselves/their most critical technologies when their ships were no longer functional... even a partially destroyed cube should self destruct.
activate it in Unimatrix 0, and the blast wave should spread through the corridor network to the other hubs. AND even if the hubs weren't completely damaged by the genesis wave, their self destruct mechanisms would finish the job.
It takes 4-8 phaser hits on drones before the other drones acclimate to that phaser setting/nutation/frequency. And then all you have to do is swap to a rotating one again and your good to go.
IN theory because drones/ships in voyager destroyed themselves/their most critical technologies when their ships were no longer functional... even a partially destroyed cube should self destruct.
activate it in Unimatrix 0, and the blast wave should spread through the corridor network to the other hubs. AND even if the hubs weren't completely damaged by the genesis wave, their self destruct mechanisms would finish the job.
It takes 4-8 phaser hits on drones before the other drones acclimate to that phaser setting/nutation/frequency. And then all you have to do is swap to a rotating one again and your good to go.
I always took it that Genesis was something of a stand in for Frankenstein's Monster. An ethically questionable science project that runs amuck with the villagers looking on in horror. Once thing swent boom Starfleet stepped back, looked at each other, asked "who thought THAT was a good idea" and stuffed whatever they had in a room alongside the Ark of the Covenant and Shatner's Toupee.
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