They wouldn't do it if it meant altering the current timeline. They're there to protect the flow of time, not change it for their betterment. That is what they were fighting against in the TCW.
Whatever happened to the Federation in the future...
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I find it unlikely that the Federation would simply allow itself to fall.
I can see the Federation becoming extremely over-confident. And that could easily be what does it in.
Most, if not all empires go down kicking and screaming
I think we are forgetting the Federation I think still exists it's just not powerful. It's post it's Empire stage. I think it might interesting that someone might have come along and supplanted it like the Dominion that has been around even longer than the Federation. A Dominion though that has been reformed due to what they learned from Odo about solids.
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One book went in to the past of the galaxy, and basically... A federation, dominion, etc lasts.. However long 100s, few thousand years .. Then declines.. And species rise and fall.. Never an always there.
And plus the year Discovery travels to is about 130 some-odd years after the year Daniels transported Archer to in Shockwave. Discovery's been pretty good about referencing canon, so, I wouldn't put it past them for Daniels' organization to potentially come up in conversation at some point.
Though I'm still not clear yet as to why Discovery has to remain there, but, that's a question for another thread.
We might get clues in PIC. After all, something prompted Picard to leave Starfleet, and he appears dissatisfied with the Federation in the trailers. Might we get a hint of a slow decline, or the beginning of it?
This is what happened to the Federation. Charlton Heston returns through archival footage because no one besides he can properly deliver, "DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!!!!!!"
Perhaps this is some alternate or 'pocket' timeline, existing alongside the future Daniels knows.
Backing up a little...
You know that new animated series that they were talking about a few years ago? It took place in a future where multiple Omega-particle detonations had basically split the Federation in half and made warp travel impossible over a large area of space.
Well, @Christopher made reference to that series-that-never-was in one of his Department of Temporal Investigations novels. Daniels reveals that not only were the Omega explosions caused by Future Guy (from ENT) but also mentions that "If we hadn't been able to isolate that timeline..." He does not elaborate on that last part.
We of course have no idea what they actually did (i.e. what "isolate" means in this sense), but I assume that either the 29th or 31st-century time police managed to do something that took this timeline out of the equation, as it were. Set it aside, so it's no longer part of history.
Maybe the future as seen in DSC is also one of these isolated timelines. It's what I'm hoping for, anyway.
You know that new animated series that they were talking about a few years ago? It took place in a future where multiple Omega-particle detonations had basically split the Federation in half and made warp travel impossible over a large area of space.
Well, @Christopher made reference to that series-that-never-was in one of his Department of Temporal Investigations novels. Daniels reveals that not only were the Omega explosions caused by Future Guy (from ENT) but also mentions that "If we hadn't been able to isolate that timeline..." He does not elaborate on that last part.
We of course have no idea what they actually did (i.e. what "isolate" means in this sense), but I assume that either the 29th or 31st-century time police managed to do something that took this timeline out of the equation, as it were. Set it aside, so it's no longer part of history.
Maybe the future as seen in DSC is also one of these isolated timelines. It's what I'm hoping for, anyway.
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We were never told that Daniel's could see the future as well as the past. Perhaps the Federation of Daniel's time didn't see its fall coming. Either way I'm hoping they just ignore the time police.
I don't see how they couldn't.
The future would be dependent on any number of actions where as the past is fixed.
There is a weird assumption that mastery of time travel means controlling all possible outcomes. If that were the case, then Daniels would not be in a temporal cold war and there would be no more conflict. Yet, Star Trek has demonstrated often that time travel has a lot of unintended consequences.
<accent=British>Dear me, what are those things coming out of her nose? . . . SPACEBALLS!?! Oh, shit, there goes the planet.</accent>
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If they could the Temporal Cold War would never have happened.
Whosoever controls the high ground, controls time.
Controlling time can't happen, unless you have temporal shields over the whole of your home planet.
Controlling time can't happen, unless you have temporal shields over the whole of your home planet.
Not all that unlikely. Without getting too political here, we’re already seeing what one could describe as the fall of democracy in many countries currently, and who knows what these small cases will ultimately lead to. May have been exactly the same for the Feds.
I bet no one ever thought the Roman Empire would fall, but guess what happened?
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