...or that city we saw was on a different part of the planet. Look at all those pictures of our own planet. There are cityscapes that look dramatically different.
Whatever happened to Quo'nos?
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They're also sleeping above the blankets, which is strangely common in Star Trek. I know Geordi did it once as well. I never understood the point to that.
We could argue that this was not actually the cabin where Ensign Tuvok or Lieutenant Commander Valtane lived (and that they in fact had separate cabins, being officers both), but some sort of a Science Department Ready Room where people caught refreshments and a few quick zzzs during states of heightened readiness. The mission in the episode would certainly have qualified for such a state.
The problem with that is that TPTB insisted on establishing that the cabin was down on Deck 7 (as seen by a large corridor stenciling beyond the door), while both Tuvok and Valtane's duty stations apparently were on the bridge...
As the Klingons faced "a deadly pollution of their ozone", a calamity never specified to affect just one planet, it would stand to reason that the wave wrought havoc with the atmospheres of several Klingon planets, in various star systems. It may have "polluted the ozone" in the upper atmospheres, making it less effective at blocking UV radiation and thus harming the planets - or, and this is somewhat more plausible a thing for an energy release to do, it may have created ozone in the lower atmospheres, badly poisoning them. But it's difficult to see how either calamity would lead to destruction in 50 years. People would die of ozone poisoning within a few days already, after which the amount of ozone would be steadily reduced. Or UV radiation from outside would steadily damage the planets while upper atmosphere ozone would gradually be reformed by that very same radiation. There should be no culmination of damage five decades on.
Timo Saloniemi
The problem with that is that TPTB insisted on establishing that the cabin was down on Deck 7 (as seen by a large corridor stenciling beyond the door), while both Tuvok and Valtane's duty stations apparently were on the bridge...
Or in a separate system altogether, considering that the explosion launched a FTL wave of some sort. Although the wave appeared to be STL when it hit Sulu's ship, making me speculate that an energy release moving FTL in subspace was leaking its energies to realspace at regular intervals, and these leaked energies then moved on in STL fashion, forming concentric circular waves. If the "mother" wave was subspace, this would nicely allow for it to have an odd geometry, such as the flat circle we witnessed.
As the Klingons faced "a deadly pollution of their ozone", a calamity never specified to affect just one planet, it would stand to reason that the wave wrought havoc with the atmospheres of several Klingon planets, in various star systems. It may have "polluted the ozone" in the upper atmospheres, making it less effective at blocking UV radiation and thus harming the planets - or, and this is somewhat more plausible a thing for an energy release to do, it may have created ozone in the lower atmospheres, badly poisoning them. But it's difficult to see how either calamity would lead to destruction in 50 years. People would die of ozone poisoning within a few days already, after which the amount of ozone would be steadily reduced. Or UV radiation from outside would steadily damage the planets while upper atmosphere ozone would gradually be reformed by that very same radiation. There should be no culmination of damage five decades on.
Timo Saloniemi
You can't ever tell when I'm being rhetorical can you? I'm going to have to master the art of emoticon.
I am afraid I still do not understand your joke. Could you further elaborate please?
Quiznos and Qo'nos are spelled similar.
I always kind of figured they evacuated the planet and set up shop somewhere else. It's not like they don't have tons of M-class planets with totally exterminated indigenous populations with which to do so. 
Actually, I agree with Timo that the "fifty years" thing is weird: forgetting ozone, if Praxis was a moon of the homeworld, the chunk that got blown out of it would present a major meteorite hazard for millennia.
The opening of Star Trek VI is one of the greatest examples of the "sci fi writers have no sense of scale" trope. Between the (flat
) shockwave that covers light years, and the crescented corpse of Praxis, it's a smorgasboard of bad, bad science. Compare the destruction of Alderaan and the (visually stunning but also dumb) broken moon scene in the new and terrible "Time Machine." Praxis, Alderaan, and TM's Luna are all great examples of writers getting wrong, not even within ten orders of magnitude, the gravitational binding energy of a nearly planet-sized object.
Edit: the Quiznos joke was funny.
Actually, I agree with Timo that the "fifty years" thing is weird: forgetting ozone, if Praxis was a moon of the homeworld, the chunk that got blown out of it would present a major meteorite hazard for millennia.
The opening of Star Trek VI is one of the greatest examples of the "sci fi writers have no sense of scale" trope. Between the (flat
) shockwave that covers light years, and the crescented corpse of Praxis, it's a smorgasboard of bad, bad science. Compare the destruction of Alderaan and the (visually stunning but also dumb) broken moon scene in the new and terrible "Time Machine." Praxis, Alderaan, and TM's Luna are all great examples of writers getting wrong, not even within ten orders of magnitude, the gravitational binding energy of a nearly planet-sized object.Edit: the Quiznos joke was funny.
Nope, still not...still not quite getting the joke. Could you continue explaining please?
Thats pretty much it.
There's nothing more to explain. Both begin with a Q and end with an N, an O, and an S. That is literally the joke.
So there really isn't a joke at all. I think that's why he was confused. Same with me.
I've never heard of Quiznos myself. I don't see what they have over Subway since the latter will heat subs if you want and also offer cold subs which seem to be what most people prefer.
Alright, I'm going to abuse my moderator authority here. Next person to talk about this joke gets pistol whipped. 
Seriously, there's a thread going on that doesn't have to do with a joke that is, at best, corny, that has already been over-explained (if you didn't get it, you wouldn't find it funny anyway).
Seriously, there's a thread going on that doesn't have to do with a joke that is, at best, corny, that has already been over-explained (if you didn't get it, you wouldn't find it funny anyway).
Alright, I'm going to abuse my moderator authority here. Next person to talk about this joke gets pistol whipped.
Seriously, there's a thread going on that doesn't have to do with a joke that is, at best, corny, that has already been over-explained (if you didn't get it, you wouldn't find it funny anyway).
But that ruins the fun. I wanted to make it to five pages of nothing but people explaining the joke.
Alright, I'm going to abuse my moderator authority here. Next person to talk about this joke gets pistol whipped.
Seriously, there's a thread going on that doesn't have to do with a joke that is, at best, corny, that has already been over-explained (if you didn't get it, you wouldn't find it funny anyway).
But that ruins the fun. I wanted to make it to five pages of nothing but people explaining the joke.
You would enjoy TNZ. If you have not already done so, set your options to opt-in to that forum.
Alright, I'm going to abuse my moderator authority here. Next person to talk about this joke gets pistol whipped.
Seriously, there's a thread going on that doesn't have to do with a joke that is, at best, corny, that has already been over-explained (if you didn't get it, you wouldn't find it funny anyway).
But that ruins the fun. I wanted to make it to five pages of nothing but people explaining the joke.
Yeah, but some people realized that and have to read these threads as his unpaid job
Alright, I'm going to abuse my moderator authority here. Next person to talk about this joke gets pistol whipped.
Seriously, there's a thread going on that doesn't have to do with a joke that is, at best, corny, that has already been over-explained (if you didn't get it, you wouldn't find it funny anyway).
But that ruins the fun. I wanted to make it to five pages of nothing but people explaining the joke.
Yeah, but some people realized that and have to read these threads as his unpaid job
hahaha. fair enough.
