Whatever Happened to Diane Carey?

[OmahaStar]

RonG said:
thanks JD
Unfortunately, the website contains writers' bibles for sale

Uh, yeah. What did you expect? Free of charge? Why in the world would you think that you should get something free? What kind of sense of entitlement do you mistakenly have?

 

[Geoff]

OmahaStar said:
Uh, yeah. What did you expect? Free of charge? Why in the world would you think that you should get something free? What kind of sense of entitlement do you mistakenly have?

Jesus, back off, OmahaStar.

When JD initially posted that the site has the show bibles, the implication was that they were online, available to be read. At least, that's how I interpreted it.

Am I also a liberal freeloader with a "sense of entitlement" because I use the Internet for research instead of dropping a few G's on a set of the Encyclopedia Brittanica?

 

[JD]

Sorry about that, I thought I said they had them for sale. That's one problem when my brain works faster than my fingers, I tend to think I typed stuff I didn't, or miss words or letters in my post.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Geoff said:
When JD initially posted that the site has the show bibles, the implication was that they were online, available to be read. At least, that's how I interpreted it.

Star Trek Enterprises/Lincoln Enterprises/Roddenberry.com has been selling ST Writers' Bibles since the 70s. They pay Paramount/Viacom/CBS a license fee to do so. They'd hardly start giving them away for free.

 

[RonG]

With all dur respect, OmahaStar , as far as I'm concerned, I see nothing wromg with having written material like a series bible or scripts of a long-concluded series available online for review and download.

Of course, there's a commercial value for collectors, but I think anyone who would actually buy such material won't choose to download it for free instead, and the majority of those that just want to read it, won't consider buying it in any case...

But, as this is a moot point anyway, no point in dwelling on it...

 

[OmahaStar]

RonG said:
With all dur respect, OmahaStar , as far as I'm concerned, I see nothing wromg with having written material like a series bible or scripts of a long-concluded series available online for review and download.

Sorry. I sometimes forget others cannot think the same thing I'm thinking.

Star Trek, for decades, has been Paramount's cash cow. In fact, I was at a convention one time with a costume contest. The winner was dressed up as a cow, with dollar signs as spots. Her entry: Star Trek, Paramount's cash cow.

They are notorious for overcharging and price gouging every possible cent they can get. It is, in my opinion, naive to think they will suddenly start offering things for free when they have been overcharging for them for decades. Even though it's the Roddenberry.com store, they still take in their cut.

At the same time, certain factions within fandom seem to think that just because they have overpaid for all these years, they are entitled to things for free, when we know that's just not going to happen.

 

[Plecostomus]

I'm not certain about the timeline but did Battlestations! come out before Best Of Both Worlds? If so that would mark the first use of a deflector dish as a heavy weapon that I know of.

Not 100% certain of the publish date though.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Way before Best of Both Worlds.

Battlestations! was published in 1987, or maybe it was 1988. "Best of Both Worlds" was June 1990.

 

[Plecostomus]

That's what I thought. And she also nailed some of the technobabble for Transwarp way before Voyager too if I recall...

Wonder how much influence this novel had on those thought processes?

 

[Christopher]

Plecostomus said:
That's what I thought. And she also nailed some of the technobabble for Transwarp way before Voyager too if I recall...

Uhh, the term "transwarp" originated in The Search for Spock in 1984, and was then used on TNG a couple of times before ever showing up on VGR. So I'm not sure what the fact that the book preceded VGR has to do with anything.

Wonder how much influence this novel had on those thought processes?

Probably none at all. Most Trek TV producers didn't read the books. They were too busy making TV shows.

 

[Plecostomus]

Oh I know how old Transwarp was... I just find it uncanny that some of her ideas slash technobabble later found their way on screen.

 

[SeerSGB]

Plecostomus said:
Oh I know how old Transwarp was... I just find it uncanny that some of her ideas slash technobabble later found their way on screen.

Okay, I literally just about fell out of my chair. I was talking to someone and scrolling the page and misread that as "...that some of her SLASH later found their way on screen."

 

[Plecostomus]

SeerSGB said:

Plecostomus said:
Oh I know how old Transwarp was... I just find it uncanny that some of her ideas slash technobabble later found their way on screen.

Okay, I literally just about fell out of my chair. I was talking to someone and scrolling the page and misread that as "...that some of her SLASH later found their way on screen."

Indeed.

 

[Christopher]

Plecostomus said:
Oh I know how old Transwarp was... I just find it uncanny that some of her ideas slash technobabble later found their way on screen.

What specific ideas are you talking about here? My memory of the transwarp tech in Battlestations! is distant and vague, but I don't recall anything that echoes Voyager versions of transwarp, whether the "reach Warp 10 and mutate into a salamander" version from "Threshold" or the Borg conduit-and-hub version.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Christopher said:
Most Trek TV producers didn't read the books. They were too busy making TV shows.

Exactly. They did hear things though.

"Did you hear? DC Comics have put a Klingon in Starfleet uniform!" (eg. Konom)

"Sulu's first name is Hikaru." "Since when?" (eg. "The Entropy Effect")

"Howard Weinstein knows Star Trek. What did he find out about whales?" (re his research credit on ST IV.)

"Melinda Snodgrass wrote a popular Star Trek novel; let's get her in for a chat about the story editor job." (TNG)

"The Reeves-Stevens wrote some popular Star Trek books; let's get them in about writing for us." (ENT)

Etc. That kind of thing.

 

[Plecostomus]

The whole forming the transwarp effect as a beam/conduit and the fact it delt with an alternate dimension and all that. I'll reread it if I can find it in storage.

 

[Christopher]

^^Heck, those are generic enough that there's no reason to assume a causal relationship. Stardrives based on alternate dimensions (usually called hyperdrives) have been part of science fiction for decades; indeed, some authors (including Diane Duane) have explained warp drive in those terms.

 

[Plecostomus]

Good point, but I'm still going to read the novel over again. I HAVE NOTHING BUT SPARE TIME ON MY HANDS RIGHT NOW MUAHAHAHAHAHA! *sigh* I hate unemployment.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

I haven't read many of Ms Carey's books, but Final Frontier and Best Destiny stand out as two of my favorite Trek novels. I always wished she'd write more about Captain April and George Kirk.

 

[Therin of Andor]

^ When ENT started I was sure some novelist would draw a link between Francis Drake Reed, of April's crew, and Malcolm Reed.

Small universe syndrome, I know...