What You Loved and Hated About Voyager

[hux]

Loved the Doctors occasional acerbic comments about Tom (always tickled me)

(Year of Hell) Doctor: Who would have thought that this eclectic group of voyagers could actually become a family? Starfleet, Maquis, Klingon, Talaxian, hologram, Borg, even Mister Paris

(Living Witness) Doctor: I don't know where to begin. Granted, this looks like the briefing room but these aren't the people I knew. No one behaved like this. Well, aside from Mister Paris

Loved the premise of the show

Loved the step away from episodic Trek in season two

Loved drunk Seven in Timeless (turns out Ryan is a natural when it comes to comedy)

Hated the way they made Janeway a slightly common sense lacking, mental case in Scorpion purely so they could quickly get Ryan onto the show

Consequently hated what was done to Species 8472. They start out as a badass, malevolent, truly alien species then finish off as jolly little aliens pretending to be humans on a space station (this not only ruins species 8472 but also makes Janeway's plan to help the Borg kill them based on a child's psychic understanding of them suddenly seem perversely wrong....oh it turns out they weren't pure evil after all so helping the Borg commit genocide probably not a good thing.....oops) Found it hard to take her seriously after that (then they did it again in Equinox!!)

Hated that they made contact with Earth so soon and that they got home (would have preferred it if getting home was just a continued hope and never a realistic possibility)

And you?

 

[Dukhat]

Loved the concept. Hated the execution.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Liked the characters

Liked the premise

Liked maybe 1/3 of the episodes

Hated the lack of respect for the premise

Hated the complete risk-averseness of the writing

Hated the way they wrote the episodes entirely around having an attractive trailer

Hated Seven's exploitative costume

Hated the nerfing of the Borg

Hated the over-reliance on the holodeck

Hated the reliance on sitcom tropes for character development

Hated 1/3 of the episodes

I agree with you about what they did to Species 8472. But, it was pretty clear in Scorpion they intended to kill everybody in the alpha quadrant because of what the Borg were doing to them. Maybe they could have been diplomatically talked down, but there was a legitimate self defense need. And I'm not sure that applies to Equinox, Equinox were murdering aliens to get home and only a handful of them had last minute changes of heart.

 

[JeffinOakland]

I HATE Neelix. He is the only character I personally dislike with a fierce "get away from me" loathing.

Other than that, I like and dislike many things about this deeply flawed but thoroughly enjoyable series. I like Janeway, The Doctor, 7 of 9 and Tuvok. I like how their characters were handled. I dislike how Paris, B'Elanna, Kes, and Chakotay's characters were handled. I dislike how Garrett Wang handled his character. I dislike the use of child actors as a general rule and this show was no exception.

I like how Voyager got better after the series was reworked after the 3rd season and the show became TNG-2.

I dislike how the holodeck was overused but I like the Capt. Proton episodes.

I disliked how few alien species Voyager made friendly 1st contact with.

I like the Borg and Species 8472 and Hirogen.

I disliked the Kazon (dorks) and Vidians (hard to look at).

I liked how Q was used at 1st but disliked the crude episode w his son.

I like the idea of tension between the Maquis and Starfleet. Dislike how it was discarded.

I liked both the 1st and last episodes but not as much as I liked the 1st and last episodes of TNG and DS9.

I disliked how the plot of Gilligan's Island in Space forced the Capt to make dumb decisions and waste opportunities to get home.

 

[at Quark's]

I didn't like seven of nine. With that, I mean, her suit, the whole yet-another-figure-that-strives-to-become-a-human(like)-individual idea, and the number of episodes that were devoted to her. Not to malign the actress, I think Jeri Ryan did a good job with what was given to her.

I didn't like the complete reset button. In many episodes characters go through things that would scar any decent individual for life, and they're fine by the next episode, and their experiences are never referred to anymore. But, this is not a voyager specific failing, all trek series are guilty of this one.

I liked the premise of this show, but the execution less so (as commented before). I would have wished the delta quadrant would have felt more truly alien than it did. They did try though, the first few seaons.

I like most of the characters (doctor, Janeway, Kes, Torres, even Neelix come to mind). I like the way they have to juggle their federation principles with the need for survival in some episodes.

Many of the episodes were (in my opinion) less thought-provoking than TNG episodes. But I saw TNG when I was still an impressionable teenager, so that could have something to do with it, too.

 

[Catarina]

If I am having deja vu.I can only imagine how redundant this is getting for people whom have been here 8+ years :-)

But if you haven't read it, it's new to you!

I loved the Voyager theme song, I love the idea of becoming a close knit community and family, loved most of season 5.

Hated the episodic approach. killed any depth it might have had.

I made it through the seven years due to some heart strings being tugged, drama, and comedy and Mulgrew and Picardo.

 

[SiddFinch1]

Should have been less use of reset button. More carryover effects
Should have been more tension between Marquis and starfleet
Not outrightfighting but tension and disagreement.
ship should have not looked so pristine without starbase availability
Should have been more background characters used regularly..the Carey and Vorivk types who.have small recurring roles since they have no ability to transfer off ship

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I hate the fact that I keep watching it in spite of all the things I dislike about this series. I must be a glutton for punishment, I guess.


I hate the overuse of the reset button, in pretty much each episode(e.g. Voyager gets badly damaged and they keep talking about how the replicators are rationed, but apparently it's not a problem to replicate AND install and/or repair all the parts that have been damaged. Same thing about the people nobody ever truly remember a past experience, except in a flippant inaccurate manner, like when Paris mocks Kim's dating history. In fact they introduce faux-old shipmates like that girlfriend of Kim that came back from the dead, she was supposed to be the woman Kim had been pining over since many years before, yet we've never even heard of her before the episode, let alone saw her.

I hate the sheer diarrhea of tehnobabble at times. I mean what's the use? We know it's pure bullshit that will teach us nothing so why not dispense with it altogether?


I like some characters like the doctor and Paris which is a much more interesting character than kim for example.

Let's just leave it at that for now.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I loved that VOY was camp at times, took itself less seriously than TNG, and was colourful and rompy.

I loved Janeway and 7 and the EMH and most everyone else.

I loved Naomi who is the BEST Trek kid!

I loved 7's story, it is the BEST "searching for your humanity" Trek story and still moves me today.

I love that there are only a couple eps I actually disliked and at least one of them is a favorite of other people which means there are NO BAD EPS! YES!

I love the comedy.

I love the double eps, most of which are as good as a movie.

I don't hate anything about it at all.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I loved that VOY was camp at times, took itself less seriously than TNG, and was colourful and rompy.

I loved Janeway and 7 and the EMH and most everyone else.

I loved Naomi who is the BEST Trek kid!

I loved 7's story, it is the BEST "searching for your humanity" Trek story and still moves me today.

I love that there are only a couple eps I actually disliked and at least one of them is a favorite of other people which means there are NO BAD EPS! YES!

I love the comedy.

I love the double eps, most of which are as good as a movie.

I don't hate anything about it at all.

Naomi was fine but I liked Mezoti better. She was on the show only for a few episodes but what an actress for a child!

 

[hux]

But, it was pretty clear in Scorpion they intended to kill everybody in the alpha quadrant because of what the Borg were doing to them. Maybe they could have been diplomatically talked down, but there was a legitimate self defense need. And I'm not sure that applies to Equinox, Equinox were murdering aliens to get home and only a handful of them had last minute changes of heart.

How was it clear? because Kes said so? There was some ambiguity about them but it was never clear cut (and self defense doesn't justify genocide.....that was just utter madness on Janeway's part) But even if we do accept that they were truly malevolent and destructive to everyone.....then why turn them into fluffy, rational nice aliens later on?

All that does is ruin them, makes Janeway look incompetent and immoral and makes Kes look like an idiot

Hence my dislike of the whole thing

I don't hate anything about it at all.

Kes' voice?
Kes' blandness?
Kes?

Go on, treat yourself....say something mean about Voyager

 

[Fashion Victim]

Loved
Janeway - They couldn't have chosen a better actress for the part, she's tough and feminine at once without coming off as a colossal bitch, maybe it's a double standard maybe it's our own cultural programming, but for some reason it's hard to pull off.

Seven of Nine - The idea of a Borg liberated drone as part of the main cast was just brilliant.

The fact that the intrepid class ship could actually land on a planet.

The promise of a ship far away from home that simply trying to get home.

The feeling of family between the crew.

Hated

Species 8472 has 3 legs but they life in fluidic space wtf??? (still liked them though)

Not enough episodes with 8472

Integration of the Maqui crew was unrealistically smooth

Kim is so.....bleh he's a space filler really

Many of the aliens in the Delta quadrant were just a rehash of Alpha quadrant aliens e.i the Kazon reminded me of Klingons. They should have been more adventurous.

The Borg seemed to have been somewhat castrated.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

But, it was pretty clear in Scorpion they intended to kill everybody in the alpha quadrant because of what the Borg were doing to them. Maybe they could have been diplomatically talked down, but there was a legitimate self defense need. And I'm not sure that applies to Equinox, Equinox were murdering aliens to get home and only a handful of them had last minute changes of heart.

How was it clear? because Kes said so? There was some ambiguity about them but it was never clear cut (and self defense doesn't justify genocide.....that was just utter madness on Janeway's part) But even if we do accept that they were truly malevolent and destructive to everyone.....then why turn them into fluffy, rational nice aliens later on?

All that does is ruin them, makes Janeway look incompetent and immoral and makes Kes look like an idiot

Hence my dislike of the whole thing

I don't hate anything about it at all.

Kes' voice?
Kes' blandness?
Kes?

Go on, treat yourself....say something mean about Voyager

I think that guy Arturis had a point, even though he went overboard with it. I mean the guy lost everybody he knows and he could point to one cause of why he lost everything, Voyager, and given the despotic way she runs her ship he could point to Janeway as the most precise cause of his problems.I am surprised that he didn't just kill her where she stood and be done with it. Put yourself in his place. Earth is destroyed completely, making you the last one of your species and you meet the alien that was the decisive factor for this destruction. What would you do?

 

[Orphalesion]

Love:

-The Idea
- The concept of Kes' character
-Seven
- Some really good episodes (particularly the Thaw)
-The Ocampa
-How exotic the Delta Quadrant Seemed in the first few episodes.

Hated:

-The (lacking) execution of the premise
-Harry Kim, the amazing Wallpaper-Man
-Neelix
-The Doctor
-Them dropping Kes instead of harry or Neelix
-How mundane (for a Trek show) everything becomes after the first few episodes

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You're right, I do actually hate Kes's voice but rewatches elevated the character from "most disliked" to "meh".

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

You're right, I do actually hate Kes's voice but rewatches elevated the character from "most disliked" to "meh".

Do you really think that Neelix' voice is any better?

 

[hux]

You're right, I do actually hate Kes's voice but rewatches elevated the character from "most disliked" to "meh".

Yes, i remember you once mentioned not liking her voice (and quite understandably, i hang on every word you say)

Like - Sometimes it's just the little things like in Counterpoint when this happens....

KASHYK: Still, most people make the effort. We don't exactly embrace outsiders.
JANEWAY: Gaharay?
KASHYK: It means strangers

Nice little touch, especially as we (the audience) actually hear the translated version but Janeway doesn't. I did like that i must say

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

You're right, I do actually hate Kes's voice but rewatches elevated the character from "most disliked" to "meh".

Yes, i remember you once mentioned not liking her voice (and quite understandably, i hang on every word you say)

Like - Sometimes it's just the little things like in Counterpoint when this happens....

KASHYK: Still, most people make the effort. We don't exactly embrace outsiders.
JANEWAY: Gaharay?
KASHYK: It means strangers

Nice little touch, especially as we (the audience) actually hear the translated version but Janeway doesn't. I did like that i must say

I am not sure it is a "touch" at all. We hear the word "Gaharay" before in the episode. I am sure of it.

Janeway is referring to that.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I love that it's more STAR TREK. I don't hate anything about it, but VOY had the chance to do a lot of really exciting things, which it didn't take advantage of. It could've been alot edgier, for example ... sexier, certainly. It could've pushed the enveloped of how STAR TREK was presented on television, but it wasn't a bad show. I even own some of it ...

 

[JirinPanthosa]

But, it was pretty clear in Scorpion they intended to kill everybody in the alpha quadrant because of what the Borg were doing to them. Maybe they could have been diplomatically talked down, but there was a legitimate self defense need. And I'm not sure that applies to Equinox, Equinox were murdering aliens to get home and only a handful of them had last minute changes of heart.

How was it clear? because Kes said so? There was some ambiguity about them but it was never clear cut (and self defense doesn't justify genocide.....that was just utter madness on Janeway's part) But even if we do accept that they were truly malevolent and destructive to everyone.....then why turn them into fluffy, rational nice aliens later on?

All that does is ruin them, makes Janeway look incompetent and immoral and makes Kes look like an idiot

Hence my dislike of the whole thing

It was a Minbari situation. In Babylon 5, humans attacked the Minbari in a misunderstanding and they raged out and almost destroyed Earth before they came to their rational senses. It's the same deal with Species 8472.

At the time, 8472 was seething with anger and bloodlust toward anything with two legs and two arms. It's not immoral to defend against an imminent threat to your life just because that threat comes from a misunderstanding.

For the Q episodes, I think Death Wish was a great episode but the other two were embarrassing. Who thought it was a good idea to have the continuum represented as a civil war theme? It made no sense for the crew to be able to hold a Q at gunpoint just because they picked up a Q weapon that was metaphorically represented in their minds as a gun.