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They're talking about these uniforms.
What you did or didn't like about GEN...
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Oh, I liked them too, for the most part. If they'd toned down the colors just a bit and lost the sleeve stripes they would have been great. Actually, they're not too dissimilar to the BSG officer's uniforms.
Withers
Captain
I'm sure this has been said but my major problem with this movie was the destruction of the Enterprise. Well, not necessarily the fact that it was destroyed, just how it was destroyed. It just seemed unreasonable to me that, shields up or down, Enterprise would've taken so much damage from a Bird of Prey (an old decommissioned one at that.)
Also the fact that we'd seen them get out of coolant leaks before. Obviously, when they wanted out of a warp core breach, they made it possible. In this case it went from not good to reactor breach in between breaths.
I don't mind that they blew up the Enterprise-D because I liked Enterprise E a whole lot more (especially the absence of families). I just wish they would have given her a more appropriate send off. We're talking about the ship that stared down a Borg Cube (before they were de-toothed in Voyager) after all.
-Withers-
Also the fact that we'd seen them get out of coolant leaks before. Obviously, when they wanted out of a warp core breach, they made it possible. In this case it went from not good to reactor breach in between breaths.
I don't mind that they blew up the Enterprise-D because I liked Enterprise E a whole lot more (especially the absence of families). I just wish they would have given her a more appropriate send off. We're talking about the ship that stared down a Borg Cube (before they were de-toothed in Voyager) after all.
-Withers-
The real crime of destroying the E-D was that it was on account of TPTB being bored with her! It didn't serve the dramatic nature of the film one iota, they just wanted to dump the ship so they could design a brand new one (which itself is a bit disingenuous, given that the model was given the 1701-E registry when work began on FC, as a pitch to save money and just reuse the old model one more time).
I went into GEN (as I do with all the movies) with no foreknowledge of what was to come (I don't watch commercials or read about the movies in advance to really experience them with fresh eyes when I see them). I remember being shocked and astonished when the really destroyed the 1701-D. Not having any inkling it was coming, the saucer's crash landing scene was just amazing to behold. Very powerful. They really didn't pull any punches in that sequence.
You don't even like the ones you don't like? That's big of you!
You can like what you want of course - I just think a universe where no-one dies is suitable for cartoons and nothing else.
Likes:
1. The Mrs. and I saw it on our honeymoon.
2. The film looks like a theatrical motion picture, not an expanded TV episode.
3. Stellar Cartography is stellar! What a cool set!
4. The emotion chip gag in Ten Forward (the rest were stupid)
5. Guinan
Dislikes:
1. Kirk's death was LAME.
2. Kirk's burial was LAME, if that really was him? Who knows with the Nexis?
3. The Nexis was LAME and made no sense - whatever the plot needed, the Nexis magically could do
4. Picard's family being wiped out was LAME. What was the point with all the deaths in this film anyway? What a drag. Was it to manipulate "an emotional response" with Picard having his nephew and own family in the Nexis? Picard having a family was already done magnificently in "The Inner Light."
5. Picard's wife in the Nexis wasn't Crusher
6. Crusher has nothing to do, Troi basically is around to crash the ship.
7. "All Good Things" was 1000% better and should have ended TNG
1. The Mrs. and I saw it on our honeymoon.
2. The film looks like a theatrical motion picture, not an expanded TV episode.
3. Stellar Cartography is stellar! What a cool set!
4. The emotion chip gag in Ten Forward (the rest were stupid)
5. Guinan
Dislikes:
1. Kirk's death was LAME.
2. Kirk's burial was LAME, if that really was him? Who knows with the Nexis?
3. The Nexis was LAME and made no sense - whatever the plot needed, the Nexis magically could do
4. Picard's family being wiped out was LAME. What was the point with all the deaths in this film anyway? What a drag. Was it to manipulate "an emotional response" with Picard having his nephew and own family in the Nexis? Picard having a family was already done magnificently in "The Inner Light."
5. Picard's wife in the Nexis wasn't Crusher
6. Crusher has nothing to do, Troi basically is around to crash the ship.
7. "All Good Things" was 1000% better and should have ended TNG
LIKES:
-I thought the movie looked beautiful and was shot very well... it really seemed like the filmmakers were trying to make a "movie"... and I never minded the dark lighting on the Enterprise (rest in peace, John Alonzo ASC)
-the visual effects... ILM knocks one out of the park (stock footage notwithstanding, though I believe the Enterprise flyby was optically recomposited from the original elements)
-the modifications made to the Enterprise-D bridge... too bad the ship was destroyed!
-Shatner... I also enjoyed seeing Koenig and Doohan but some of the dialogue is cringe-inducing ("I vas never that young")
-some familiar faces: Alan Ruck, Jenette Goldstein, Tim Russ, Tom Kopache, and Glenn Morshower
-the stellar cartography scene
-the modifications made to the Enterprise-A bridge to turn it into the Enterprise-B bridge
-the opening title sequence w/ the champagne bottle
-the Nexus imagery... the shot of the ribbon rolling past the mountain (which was used in all the TV ads and trailers) is probably bigger than anything seen in Insurrection or Nemesis
-Malcolm McDowell
-maybe I'm an old softy but I liked Picard's Nexus fantasy
-Dennis McCarthy's music score is good, but not great
-the space battle, especially the "Fire at will" line, followed by a shot of Will Riker (I don't know if this was intentional)
DISLIKES:
-to paraphrase the Ron Moore/Brannon Braga commentary, the idea of the Nexus was a good one but was too ill-defined and just opened itself up to plot holes
-Data's "Oh, shit" line doesn't sit well with me for some reason
-the whole "Let's go back in time five minutes before instead of, say, ten years" plot hole
-the idea of existing in the Nexus as an "echo"
-Soran's entire plan... they say he can't fly into the Nexus with a ship but how did he get there in the first place?
-too much technobabble, and it's worse coming from Scotty in the Ent-B scenes
-Captain Harriman's incompetence... but if he knew his stuff, he wouldn't need Kirk's help
-maybe it was a SAG thing but couldn't they have dug up some photos of Robert and Rene from the "Family" episode to put in Picard's album?
-Paramount is still sitting on several deleted scenes that have never been "officially" released
-I don't mind Kirk's death but the filmmakers could've spared themselves years of grief if they'd let him live!
-I thought the movie looked beautiful and was shot very well... it really seemed like the filmmakers were trying to make a "movie"... and I never minded the dark lighting on the Enterprise (rest in peace, John Alonzo ASC)
-the visual effects... ILM knocks one out of the park (stock footage notwithstanding, though I believe the Enterprise flyby was optically recomposited from the original elements)
-the modifications made to the Enterprise-D bridge... too bad the ship was destroyed!
-Shatner... I also enjoyed seeing Koenig and Doohan but some of the dialogue is cringe-inducing ("I vas never that young")
-some familiar faces: Alan Ruck, Jenette Goldstein, Tim Russ, Tom Kopache, and Glenn Morshower
-the stellar cartography scene
-the modifications made to the Enterprise-A bridge to turn it into the Enterprise-B bridge
-the opening title sequence w/ the champagne bottle
-the Nexus imagery... the shot of the ribbon rolling past the mountain (which was used in all the TV ads and trailers) is probably bigger than anything seen in Insurrection or Nemesis
-Malcolm McDowell
-maybe I'm an old softy but I liked Picard's Nexus fantasy
-Dennis McCarthy's music score is good, but not great
-the space battle, especially the "Fire at will" line, followed by a shot of Will Riker (I don't know if this was intentional)
DISLIKES:
-to paraphrase the Ron Moore/Brannon Braga commentary, the idea of the Nexus was a good one but was too ill-defined and just opened itself up to plot holes
-Data's "Oh, shit" line doesn't sit well with me for some reason
-the whole "Let's go back in time five minutes before instead of, say, ten years" plot hole
-the idea of existing in the Nexus as an "echo"
-Soran's entire plan... they say he can't fly into the Nexus with a ship but how did he get there in the first place?
-too much technobabble, and it's worse coming from Scotty in the Ent-B scenes
-Captain Harriman's incompetence... but if he knew his stuff, he wouldn't need Kirk's help
-maybe it was a SAG thing but couldn't they have dug up some photos of Robert and Rene from the "Family" episode to put in Picard's album?
-Paramount is still sitting on several deleted scenes that have never been "officially" released
-I don't mind Kirk's death but the filmmakers could've spared themselves years of grief if they'd let him live!
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^ But then we wouldn't have gotten Shatner's Star Trek novels, so even the shittiest dark cloud has something resembling a silver lining.
I recommend them heartily.
The Ashes of Eden was decent and enjoyable but I recommend stopping at that book.
It might've been cool to see the reunion between Spock, Kirk and McCoy... DeForest Kelly was still alive when GEN came out.
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