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what would have been in season 5

watermelony2k

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reading this makes me sad:

The Would-Be Season 5
Possible design of a 22nd century Kzinti starship The Enterprise was due to visit Stratos, showing the split-up of its society as it is depicted in TOS: "The Cloud Minders"

A Kzinti episode had been suggested as a prequel to TAS: "The Slaver Weapon", which progressed as far as a "rough rendering" of a Kzinti starship, commissioned by writer Jimmy Diggs. The story was titled "Kilkenny Cats."

It has also been stated that the starship Enterprise would have received new crewmembers, including Shran, the recurring Andorian character.

Plans existed for an episode showing the construction of the first starbase, most likely in the Berengaria system. First hints to that episode were already given in ENT: "Bound".

Enterprise was due to revisit (actually previsit) the cloud city Stratos on Ardana showing the formation of the two castes seen in TOS: "The Cloud Minders".

Guinan (Whoopi Goldberg) might have been seen as well: a two-hour drama centering around Hoshi Sato was written for Season Five (Writer's Guild-East Registration R18220-00), in which Guinan would be under an assumed name, "Claranna" (relating to Q's line to her in TNG: "Q Who", "Oh, is that the name you're using now?"), acting personal assistant of the head of the United Earth Space Probe Agency. Also to have been revealed: more of Guinan's background, what she was doing there since the time of Mark Twain (TNG: "Time's Arrow"), links to TOS and TNG,

the first appearance of Skon, grandfather of Spock (T'Lar's line near the end of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock) in a filmed episode, and why Vulcan delayed helping Earth with warp drive. The story was titled "The Treatment."

Further planned topics included the Enterprise finally visiting Phlox's homeworld, Denobula.

Furthermore, a revisit to the Mirror Universe, which had already been shown in ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly", and possibly featuring Hoshi Sato being empress of the Terran Empire had also been discussed.

A return of Section 31, which had its last appearance in ENT: "Terra Prime", was planned as well.

Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story with Alice Krige as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg from Season 2 (ENT: "Regeneration") and becomes the Borg Queen. [1]

Not so sure about that last one, but most of that sounded great -- especially the one that dealt with WHY VULCAN DELAYED EARTH'S WARP DRIVE!

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise#The_Would-Be_Season_5
 
I recall getting a reply from Mike Sussman, in which he talked about how the planned Mirror Universe sequel formed the basis for the short story Age of the Empress. It's one of his few posts here, if anyone can do a username search.

I can't really add anything else... Reading about where Season 5 would've gone chokes me up everytime.
 
Season 5 would have been awesome. It certainly would have been more exciting then Star Trek XI: When Harry met Sal.....uh, i mean When Kirk met Spock. :)
In my opinion, of course.
 
I'm not sure I would have enjoyed "The Treatment" (?) much. Guinan has some dark mission where she influences Earth's history? In "Time's Arrow", she was essentially on an interrail trip to a backwater planet, enjoying time away from his father, which was a much more interesting concept!

And what would have been different about Ardana in the 2150s? The insufferable High Advisor Plasus always speaks of his "ancestors" as the builders of Stratos, suggesting a timespan of more than just a single century. Were these "ancestors" just two-three generations removed, and did they start building a floating city right after emerging from the dumbing-down caves? I'd suspect a slower progress. (But perhaps it happened the other way around - perhaps everybody was smart to begin with, and the Troglytes just fell victim to the poison gas all of a sudden somehow.)

Unlike "The Treatment", I'd have enjoyed seeing Stratos just to find out how the writers would wriggle themselves out of the contradictions.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Hmmm?

So would that have been starting 2161 or 2156? Or would they have kept These are the Voyages in reserve like B5 did with Sleeping in the Light?
 
I like the Shran idea, but more crew members, declining rating...seems like some existing cast members would get the boot. Or am I thinking too economically.

The Treatment...do we need a validation for the Vulcan's delaying Earth's warp drive progress? Should everything be outright explained and clear cut? Gee, the Vulcans were right all along. Cut and dried. What fun is that? I bet it had to do with them not wanting humans to find out about Romulans or some shit. I mean, it has to be a greater motivation that "you aren't ready", because that was already their story.

I never cared for The Cloud Minders, so a big *shrug* to that. Might as well make an early stop to the Masterpiece Society, too.

Guinan...sounds like real valentine to TNG fans. Ha-ha. Maybe Flint can appear on the show, too. He can rescue Dr. Soong to build him a robot wife.
 
the first appearance of Skon, grandfather of Spock (T'Lar's line near the end of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock) in a filmed episode, and why Vulcan delayed helping Earth with warp drive. The story was titled "The Treatment."

Further planned topics included the Enterprise finally visiting Phlox's homeworld, Denobula.

:( :brickwall:moonves :brickwall:
 
MeanJoePhaser said:
The Treatment...do we need a validation for the Vulcan's delaying Earth's warp drive progress? Should everything be outright explained and clear cut? Gee, the Vulcans were right all along. Cut and dried. What fun is that? I bet it had to do with them not wanting humans to find out about Romulans or some shit.
I think this could have been a pretty cool episode. I could see it taking place completely on Vulcan with a guest cast playing the humans.

The political intrigue could have been pretty tasty with the Romulan influenced faction of the High Counsil fighting the dissemination of new tech to the humans, or maybe even pushing it for their own reasons.

I also like the idea of the Guinan/Sato story. Guinan would seem like a very natural fit for ENT without having to resort to time travel or other gimmicks to explain her presence.
 
I like some the ideas. I'm not clicking with the whole Stratos thing, the need to explain why the Vulcans delayed development of Earth's warp drive more than "you were not ready" and the Borg Queen thing.

Everything else does sound cool though.
 
You know the one person on earth in 2063 who would tell the Vulcans that an idea closing the humans into their home system was a good or a bad idea, who they would actually listen to was?

Mestrol. :)
 
Timo said:
"...I'm not sure I would have enjoyed "The Treatment" (?) much. Guinan has some dark mission where she influences Earth's history? In "Time's Arrow", she was essentially on an interrail trip to a backwater planet, enjoying time away from his father, which was a much more interesting concept!

And what would have been different about Ardana in the 2150s? The insufferable High Advisor Plasus always speaks of his "ancestors" as the builders of Stratos, suggesting a timespan of more than just a single century. Were these "ancestors" just two-three generations removed, and did they start building a floating city right after emerging from the dumbing-down caves? I'd suspect a slower progress. (But perhaps it happened the other way around - perhaps everybody was smart to begin with, and the Troglytes just fell victim to the poison gas all of a sudden somehow.)

Unlike "The Treatment", I'd have enjoyed seeing Stratos just to find out how the writers would wriggle themselves out of the contradictions. ...."
Timo Saloniemi


WELL..... I know the Guinan/Hoshi story in great detail (--I wrote it--), and I can tell you it isn't any such story where she "...has some dark mission to influence Earth's past." Honest. In fact, she has her own "Prime Directive" of a sort, only hinted at in the story. This time around, she's the assistant to the leader of the United Earth Space Probe Agency, and along with that woman, and Skon, provides the catalyst for trying to help solve a shocking delimma in which Hoshi has the pivotal role in the story. What kind of story is it, exactly? I'm not saying. (Sorry, NO SPOILERS here!) But I WILL say this much: it's written with Gene Roddenberry's spirit of future OPTIMISTIC vision in mind, in that he often aluded to contemporary moral issues of our own time, set in a science fiction genre---to allow an issue to be turned on its ear, and to see another potential side of any such issue, perhaps in some way no one has thought of before. (Yeah, I refer to TOS in that.)

Not many shows besides Star Trek tell a tale of woe in a way that can turn out good, depending on how those in the story react to what is happening around them.

The NX-01, in this story, is docked at an alien space station (--sorry, NOT on Vulcan--), where spooky things are happening: spooky to the crew's mostly Earth-mindset -- except T'Pol and Phlox, who do NOT side with Archer's decision regarding how to solve the crisis this time around (!), and what is really going on is what 'The Treatment' is all about.....

The NX-01, in this story actually entitled "The Treatment," is undergoing a major computer refit with new technology upgrades. The leader of the UESPA is a former student of Henry Archer, and Skon is her Vulcan [business partner], a brilliant Vulcan scientist/mathematician. Guinan is this lady's personal assistant (using an assumed name, "Claranna" -- yes, there is a GOOD reason for it), and a friend of Skon.

Now, about that issue about Vulcan delaying their help with Earth's warp program...? There's a completely logical reason (pun not intended), however there is a twist to it that will raise your eyebrows -- and Skon is the one who reveals that revelation to Archer, in a scene just before the shocking climax.

Plenty of TOS and TNG references sprinkled throughout (but are NOT too intrusive), and there are some light moments as well. Guinan's back-story is fleshed out a lot more, and TRAVIS has an ADDITIONAL job to just being navigator...!

Finally, what happens to Hoshi in this story is a serious thrust toward why she eventually creates the [Linguistic Translation Matrix] referred to in the mirror-universe episode dialogue (where TMU Archer was telling TMU Hoshi about her counterpart's history from the library computer aboard the USS Defiant).

Section 31 makes a brief apperance as well (much to Reed's dismay), and it forebodes something in the background of the series [which we believe would likely have come to dramatic light in, perhaps, a cliff-hanger story at the end of Season Five: the Romulan attack that sets off their war against Earth and the Coalition of Planets].

This is a TWO-HOUR drama, setting the stage for a LOT more material later in the ENTERPRISE series (sort of like the undercurrents of what made TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" so profound, and so popular).

(Guess what? At least one other writer had ANOTHER Guinan story in the works---and it referred directly to an episode of TNG, which would have been a GOOD one, too! That other ENT Guinan story might have been a good choice for a Season-6 episode, or perhaps Season-7.)

OH, ALL RIGHT. I'll provide a major spoiler. Here's a proposed movie poster slogan for this story:

"To seek out the nature of existence first requires the choice to live."

Another spoiler? Sure. Here's a suggested TV Guide "Log Line" for "The Treatment" Guinan story:

Guinan [Whoopi Goldberg], and Skon (grandfather of Spock), visit Capt. Archer's starship Enterprise, and try to help avert a 22nd Century moral issue disaster, when a dangerous, unborn fetus -- still in its mother's womb -- MAKES ITS OWN CHOICE if it will live or be aborted."

NOW, you may comment again.
 
wow welcome to the forum rbx55 //
you know if we cant see these on the screen it would be great if they bought out the scripts and outlines in a book like they did for the lost trek series.
 
pookha said:
wow welcome to the forum rbx55 //
you know if we cant see these on the screen it would be great if they bought out the scripts and outlines in a book like they did for the lost trek series.

Agreed %1000.
Do you think CBS and Paramount would have a problem with that? There's event some artwork and sketches prepared that isn't difficult to dig up on da Net.

"Dear Trek Fan,
Enterprise has served its purpose and we shall never speak of it again.
Sincerely, Les Moonves"

On the other hand, there does seem to be a number of Ent. books on shelves now.

Seriously, the Guinan episode sounds interesting. I hadn't heard about it before... :alienblush:
 
Welcome rbx55!

I wish we could have seen the Guinan story - it looks pretty damn cool :bolian:
 
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