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What would be SO bad about a US remake?

Reasons why an American Doctor Who remake wouldn't work (IMO):

1. US remakes of British shows suck 9 times out of 10. Especially shows that are of an action/dramatic bent, but also comedies. Exhibit A: Red Dwarf which they tried to pilot twice and finally gave up. Exhibit B: Life on Mars which no fan of the original will ever forgive the US network for f*cking up the ending. Exhibit C: the movie version of The Avengers which is still stinking up the room. Yeah it was shot in the UK but it was still Americanized (starting with the sin of casting an American as Emma Peel). Exhibit 4, er, D (I hate lists anyway): The Thunderbirds movie. A pure example of a show that the filmmakers completely did not understand (and ironically the Tracy family was American!). The only person who knew what she was doing was Sophia Myles as Penelope.

2. The UK version of Doctor Who would be diminished. First, there would be less interested in the UK version because US networks would be more interested in the US version. Second, if the US version failed, interested in the original might also wane.

3. Would you be in favor of the BBC doing an all-British remake of Star Trek: TOS with Marc Warren as Captain Kirk, Russell Brand as Spock, Freema Agyeman as Uhura ... yeah, I didn't think so.

4. Doctor Who is a British institution. Remaking it for American audiences is pointless unless they keep it British. This also goes for James Bond. There have been a few occasions in the past with Americans James Brolin and John Gavin being temporarily cast as Bond before someone came to their senses. If they decide to, wonder of wonders, keep Doctor Who British, then there's no point in not just importing the UK series for US TV, or taking over production of it (which I do NOT want to see).

5. The original Doctor Who has not finished its story yet. Life on Mars was remade after the original had ended (that's why most of us were able to say the US ending sucked). Even Steven Moffat's Coupling, which it was disastrously remade in the US, was done so - IIRC, anyway - after the UK original ended. I think Queer as Folk (granted a rare example of the US version not sucking) was the same. I know The Office (ditto) was a case of this.

6. It's pure greed. Quality over quantity. The Doctor Who franchise is stretched thin enough with the original, Torchwood, Sarah Jane, and K-9. We don't need a US interloper gumming up the works.

7. It's incredibly unfair to Matt Smith because all the momentum he will need to build up at record speed in order to follow on from Tennant will be stopped dead when all the media suddenly switches to promoting the new American Doctor, especially if they get a big name for the part like, say, William Pedersen of CSI or Hugh Laurie (House can't last forever).

8 US audiences - the big mainstream audiences who turn out in tens of millions to watch things like American Idol or NCIS - don't get Doctor Who. That was proven when the 1996 TV movie crashed and burned. DW does well on niche cable channels like Sci-Fi and BBC America, but it's not going to work on mainstream American TV because they just won't get it. The track record for any sort of "out there" sci-fi on the major networks is abysmal. We'd end up with a show completely 21st century Earth-bound like X-Files or Lost. And while the Pertwee era actually used a single time and location to its advantage, we do expect a bit more from DW these days.

I'm not too cheery about a US Torchwood remake, either. I'll go for it being a spinoff about an American branch of TW, like Torchwood 5 or whatever, though Point #6 still applies.

I like RTD and Julie Gardner a lot. And I've defended them a lot over the last few years against unfair attacks, bulls*it about "gay agendas" and people griping about the show not having the cardboard sets and over-extended storylines of the original. But on this issue they stand alone (at least as far as I'm concerned). They should be focusing on creating new, original product for the US, not revisiting old material. I thought that's why RTD left in the first place. If he just wanted to keep doing Doctor Who he might as well have stayed on with BBC Wales.

Alex
 
American audiences outside of those you watch Doc Who would not get the idea behind the show IMO as many have pointed out Doctor Who goes out of its way to be a sort of Anti Sci Fi show in the way it goes around doing its buissness. A blue police box for example has little meaning in American culture and I don't think they would react well to the main character/actor going away every few years.

Doc Who is meant to go on for years abd years while American shows set out to have an endgame in 4-5-6-7 years with only the most popular carrying on to be milked upon there death.
 
This was Philip Segal's problem. He tried to sell FOX on an Americanized Doctor Who. The show he should have sold them on -- wacky alien scientist teams up with brilliant American doctor, they have mad UST, and together they fight alien menaces in the present day.

Ah, like the new Who series....


8 US audiences - the big mainstream audiences who turn out in tens of millions to watch things like American Idol or NCIS - don't get Doctor Who. That was proven when the 1996 TV movie crashed and burned.

I don't think the Who TV movie was good enough to be a barometer for how well a new series would do. I don't think it would get American Idol numbers but I wouldn't use that to write it off.
 
So far, I think 23Skiddoo has definitely come up with the strongest arguments against a remake. Excellent post, Alex.

Keep posting folks, I'm still interested in the range of opinions on this subject.
 
I am strongly opposed to this idea, for philosophical reasons.

In my opinion, American remakes of foreign TV series and movies are based on a false premise: that the American public can't appreciate, relate to or even understand foreign entertainment. That's simply absurd. Americans are just as able to enjoy British or German or Chinese TV series as British, German and Chinese audiences are able to enjoy American TV series. I'm Swiss, and when I watch Doctor Who or, say, House, I certainly don't experience a massive cultural shock.

I won't deny that American culture can sometimes be very insular, but pretending that it's because of the American public is missing the forest for the trees. The only reason why Life on Mars or Rec or Ju-On have been cut&pasted in Hollywood is because of money. The American entertainment industry made more money with Quarantine that it would have made by properly releasing Rec. The whole system is deadlocked to prevent foreign movies and series to enjoy any significant degree of success on the American market, and for years Hollywood has been justifying that by saying that Joe Public just can't relate to any material coming from abroad.

What would be so bad about a US remake of Doctor Who? Why don't I take The Grapes of Wrath and have it take place in modern-day Geneva? Because it's pointless: the original is there, and if there's something about it I can't understand for cultural reasons, well who knows maybe I might actually learn something in the process. Sounds good to me.
 
I just don't think that you could hook enough of the mainstream American audience on the premise quickly enough for a network to give an American Who remake a chance. I have a wallpaper on my work computer of the Tennant/Smith pic that was released right after The End of Time. People will ask me about it, and before I get very far in the explanantion of the show, their eyes just glaze over...

And to me, the show is just to quintessentially British...moreso than something like The Office...I just have a really hard time picturing the same concept in an American form that wouldn't come off as a cheap copy...but then again, I guess people probably said the same thing about The Office too...
 
Tardis as a wild west-era carriage.. With live horses attached.. who can also fly!
 
As an American and Doctor who fan since 1983 I stongely believe Doctor Who should never be made in American. It is a British Institution, It's the BBC's baby don't mess with it.
 
Everything that makes Doctor Who work is its sheer Britishness, and I don't think the US could replicate that. Either they'd remove it, gutting the show, or else they'd play it up (cue the Doctor drinking lots of cups of tea and saying "wot ho")

And I don't see the point since, as has been stated, it isn't like Who has much recognition in the US.

Now if the US wanted to make a show about a time travelling American alien, fine, just don't call him the Doctor, don't give him a TARDIS, and don't make him British.

Actually I was thinking about this the other day and I figured that since classicly the Doctor was very much the Victorian explorer/inventor/adventurer, then a US version would probably need to be cowboyish, maybe one who time travels using a fobwatch...ok maybe not.
 
Well, they'd have to ditch a lot of the hokier elements (Timelords, Daleks- well, pretty much all of the old monsters, etc.) and probably the travels in time and space, but I don't see why Doctor Who wouldn't work just as well without those things.

Just make the series about a mysterious traveler who arrives on Earth and goes around investigation mysterious happenings, foiling alien invasions, fighting malevolent supernatural forces, etc.
 
1. US remakes of British shows suck 9 times out of 10.

But, as you say, there are exceptions to the rule (The Office).

2. The UK version of Doctor Who would be diminished. First, there would be less interested in the UK version because US networks would be more interested in the US version. Second, if the US version failed, interested in the original might also wane.
Agree and disagree. Would the Brits really start concentrating on the American Doctor Who? Would the American fans of the Brit Who stop watching and focus on this new one? Because, the ones that aren't watching in America right now wouldn't be taking anything away from Brit Who. They aren't watching it right now at all. But, if introduced to the concept with a comfortable spoonful of recognition and familiarity, who is to say they won't investigate the original once interested?

3. Would you be in favor of the BBC doing an all-British remake of Star Trek: TOS with Marc Warren as Captain Kirk, Russell Brand as Spock, Freema Agyeman as Uhura ... yeah, I didn't think so.
I, for one, would love to see how the Brits interpret Star Trek. I think that would be freaking awesome. I am totally open to that.

5. The original Doctor Who has not finished its story yet. Life on Mars was remade after the original had ended (that's why most of us were able to say the US ending sucked). Even Steven Moffat's Coupling, which it was disastrously remade in the US, was done so - IIRC, anyway - after the UK original ended. I think Queer as Folk (granted a rare example of the US version not sucking) was the same. I know The Office (ditto) was a case of this.
I do not buy this point as Doctor Who, by its very nature, will never end.

6. It's pure greed. Quality over quantity. The Doctor Who franchise is stretched thin enough with the original, Torchwood, Sarah Jane, and K-9. We don't need a US interloper gumming up the works.
Agree and disagree. I don't think a separate universe Doctor Who would "gum" anything up for its Brit counterpart. Stretch the franchise thin? Only in marketing, perhaps. But, it would have no relation with its British counterpart, otherwise.


But, I realize I'm in the minority view here. :techman:
 
Well, they'd have to ditch a lot of the hokier elements (Timelords, Daleks- well, pretty much all of the old monsters, etc.) and probably the travels in time and space, but I don't see why Doctor Who wouldn't work just as well without those things.

Just make the series about a mysterious traveler who arrives on Earth and goes around investigation mysterious happenings, foiling alien invasions, fighting malevolent supernatural forces, etc.

But would it be Doctor Who without the hokier elements? You might as well just create a whole new series about a mysterious traveler who foils alien invasions and fights the saupernatural...

or you could just bring The X-Files back...
 
I can't find it now, but I once read a very detailed history of how the 1996 movie came to be and some of the ideas they had for it. Basically they were thinking reboot and something like the Doctor and Master were brothers and the Daleks were the Master's minions. I'm not giving it justice. It was bad. REALLY bad. It made me cringe just reading it and to think it could have been that way. It made the movie we actually got look like a masterpiece. Maybe someone has the link handy, my google skills are not finding it.
 
And for a while, there was talk about a Superman movie that featured Lex Luthor as a Kryptonian. Does that mean there shouldn't be any more Superman movies?

An American Doctor Who might be a very bad thing or it might be a delight, but that isn't determined by the cultural setting of the show. It's determined by the quality of the team putting it together. If they're doing it just to draw in eyeballs for advertisers using lots of tits and rumps, then the show will fail and find itself with lots of failed company. Meanwhile, the original production continues on.

Alternatively, if the American production brings new ideas to the franchise that are engaging and worthwhile, then perhaps this would be beneficial to the original production. It would still be likely to fail, but that's television.
 
23skidoo covered the most important points why Doctor Who should never have a US remake, but I think The Mirrorball Man also raises a very good point as well...

I am strongly opposed to this idea, for philosophical reasons.

In my opinion, American remakes of foreign TV series and movies are based on a false premise: that the American public can't appreciate, relate to or even understand foreign entertainment. That's simply absurd. Americans are just as able to enjoy British or German or Chinese TV series as British, German and Chinese audiences are able to enjoy American TV series. I'm Swiss, and when I watch Doctor Who or, say, House, I certainly don't experience a massive cultural shock.
A-fucking-men. It's not only absurd that Americans can't understand British television, but it's goddamn close-minded. Hell, I watch a lot of British television because I love how different their culture is different from America and I feel like I have learned about their culture through their media. That's not to say I can fully understand it without experiencing in person (and believe me, I want to visit the U.K. when I can), but I feel like I can appreciate it a lot.

What would be so bad about a US remake of Doctor Who? Why don't I take The Grapes of Wrath and have it take place in modern-day Geneva? Because it's pointless: the original is there, and if there's something about it I can't understand for cultural reasons, well who knows maybe I might actually learn something in the process. Sounds good to me.
That just about sums it up: pointless.
 
Doesnt have to be a Ron Moore or Joss Whedon, it could be someone with no sci-fi history - Russell T Davies hadn't done any before DW and that worked out all right.

Davies had been a huge Doctor Who fan and had written a Dr Who Novel starring the Seventh Doctor many years before he resurrected the show. I believe the success of the new show came from his knowledge and love of classic Who. With almost 50 years of history, Doctor Who would have to be given to somebody who was dedicated enough to know the show well enough not to destroy it by not knowing what's gone before.
 
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