What was your favorite TOS film?
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The Undiscovered Country--
-Great sendoff for TOS crew
-Sulu captains the Excelsior
-Good villain in Chang
-Adm. Cartright is a traitor.
-Great score by Cliff Eidelmann
-Good space battle at the end...although the photon torpedo effect looked generic as hell.(but then, the photon torpedo effects kept going downhill with each successive TOS film after their spectacular return in TMP...so I guess it only makes sense....LOL)
-Return of the K't'inga class battlecruiser to the big screen....albeit too briefly....and regrettably it never fired a shot!
-Great sendoff for TOS crew
-Sulu captains the Excelsior
-Good villain in Chang
-Adm. Cartright is a traitor.
-Great score by Cliff Eidelmann
-Good space battle at the end...although the photon torpedo effect looked generic as hell.(but then, the photon torpedo effects kept going downhill with each successive TOS film after their spectacular return in TMP...so I guess it only makes sense....LOL)
-Return of the K't'inga class battlecruiser to the big screen....albeit too briefly....and regrettably it never fired a shot!
TSFS. Great crew chemistry. They risked giving up everything they had to save Spock, as he'd have done for them. The loss of the Enterprise. The death of Kirk's son.
"I...have had...enough of...YOU!!" Epic Kirk.
Or more precisely as he did. He gave up his life so that they all could live.
I definitely saw it differently.
QTF. I thought it had the best score in the series.
I agree. Shatner's performance in TSFS is excellent, maybe his best work ever. His reaction when David is killed is very powerful. It was a moment of vulnerability where a lifetime's worth of regret and dispair come flooding out. It literally knocks him back physically, and he never takes his eyes off the screen as he falls. It's very relatable to understand how he may feel as a father who just lost everything.
I also love the way he gently but firmly pushes McCoys hand away when Bones tries to comfort him. We know, by Shatner's choices, that he feels tremendous pain and anguish...but he can't dwell on it. He must snap back into "The Captain" role and act quickly, cheating death one more time to save the lives of his friends.
Come to think of it, Trek III is definitely a great Trek movie. So much emotion and heart in that one. I think the who,e cast was at their best...and really stepped it up for Nimoy's debut.
STAR TREK III: The Search for Spock
Charles Correll's cinematography is outstanding. Robert Fletchers designs for all of the Vulcan wardrobe was finely detailed and exotic. Everything about this movie is very Shakespearian in its themes and presentation, complete with thunder and lightning. Lots and lots of that, in this movie.
It's also the first STAR TREK movie to break away from its own trappings, to treat STAR TREK in such a way that had never been done before in this franchise. That is, Kirk is the "bad guy" because he's willfully gone rogue, as opposed to just "ignoring" or "disobeying" orders, as he's been known to. Refreshingly, several of the crew get to shed their STARFLEET jammies, which was unusual.
Leonard Nimoy introduced a lot of fresh elements which became oft used in later movies and in the television spinoffs. Like STAR TREK II: The Wrath of Khan, this movie changed the way STAR TREK movies were made. This crew is not just about exploring The Void in its neat and tidy quasi-militaristic presentation - anything can happen, now. There are other options. Greater possibilities. And that Leonard Nimoy headed that front is very apt indeed, seeing how important he's been to STAR TREK's success.
Charles Correll's cinematography is outstanding. Robert Fletchers designs for all of the Vulcan wardrobe was finely detailed and exotic. Everything about this movie is very Shakespearian in its themes and presentation, complete with thunder and lightning. Lots and lots of that, in this movie.
It's also the first STAR TREK movie to break away from its own trappings, to treat STAR TREK in such a way that had never been done before in this franchise. That is, Kirk is the "bad guy" because he's willfully gone rogue, as opposed to just "ignoring" or "disobeying" orders, as he's been known to. Refreshingly, several of the crew get to shed their STARFLEET jammies, which was unusual.
Leonard Nimoy introduced a lot of fresh elements which became oft used in later movies and in the television spinoffs. Like STAR TREK II: The Wrath of Khan, this movie changed the way STAR TREK movies were made. This crew is not just about exploring The Void in its neat and tidy quasi-militaristic presentation - anything can happen, now. There are other options. Greater possibilities. And that Leonard Nimoy headed that front is very apt indeed, seeing how important he's been to STAR TREK's success.
That sums it up nicely.
One thing that I don't get in The Search For Spock is, why did they (IE Kirk and crew) go to Genesis in the first place? They had no reason whatsoever to expect that the planet had grown a new body for Spock, the only normal place for them to go to was Vulcan. Besides, why would the planet grow a body for Spock and not for every sentient being shedding cells there? I mean, surely there are more living cells in a drop of spit of someone alive than there was on Spock's cadaver hours or maybe days after he was dead. You may say that somehow Vulcans have a different effect on the planet than other species but then why didn't Savik grow another body on this planet as well?
Sarek asks them to bring Spock's body to Vulcan...
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock said:
Something about the Genesis wave caused Spock's body to break down quickly and be reborn (and some call Red Matter magic!). But Kirk and Company were headed their originally to bring Spock's corpse back to Vulcan.
"not of the body"! He specifically talked about his katra NOT his body. Once again, there was no valid reason for Kirk to delay his arrival on Vulcan by making a detour by Genesis.
SAREK: One alive, one not...yet both in pain.
KIRK: What must I do?
SAREK: You must bring them to Mt. Seleya on Vulcan. Only there can both find peace.
This request implies that Kirk must bring the alive McCoy, who harbors the Katra, and the "dead" Spock to Vulcan. Kirk even says "what you ask is difficult," and certainly brining McCoy to Vulcan would not be viewed as such.
For whatever reason, what the Vulcans had planned required Spock's body and soul- even if they were both separate at the time. It may not make sense when reflected upon, but it's clearly consistent within the context of the film.
KIRK: What must I do?
SAREK: You must bring them to Mt. Seleya on Vulcan. Only there can both find peace.
This request implies that Kirk must bring the alive McCoy, who harbors the Katra, and the "dead" Spock to Vulcan. Kirk even says "what you ask is difficult," and certainly brining McCoy to Vulcan would not be viewed as such.
For whatever reason, what the Vulcans had planned required Spock's body and soul- even if they were both separate at the time. It may not make sense when reflected upon, but it's clearly consistent within the context of the film.
Right- it's clear that the body is a necessary component for whatever reason.
I disagree "them" in that context means McCoy and Spock's katra inside McCoy's head. That's the "them".
If you would rewind to earlier in the conversation, there is:
Sarek is clearly saying that instead of burying Spock on the Genesis Planet, Kirk should have brought Spock's body to Vulcan instead. It seems clear that, even this early, Sarek has already contemplated asking for fal-tor-pan, the refusion.
Yes, I agree that Sarek seems to be "aware" that Spock's body is living, somehow. And this would fit in well with previously established facts about Vulcans all sharing a telepathic link or at least some vague awareness of eachother, even at interstellar distances.
However, THE SEARCH for SPOCK is adamant, absolutely adamant that Kirk go rogue in this feature ... to save his friend. In the name of FRIENDSHIP! So, Harve & Lenny concoct this idea of keeping Spock's fate on Genesis a big mystery to STARFLEET. Even when Grissom finds Spock's coffin, that doesn't change anything. When they realise Spock's alive, of course, they're blown up before STARFLEET can find out.
So, saving this "surprise" for Kirk when he arrives means that the audience is confused about, among other things, why the rest of Kirk's crew has bought into throwing their careers away, when the reason why has to wait until Genesis for Saavik's reveal. And that's crazy. Which may have been why Kirk says at the beginning of this movie that the crew has bordered on obsessiveness, concerning Spock. That this somehow motivated his crew to act later, without even knowing what the hell they were going to Genesis FOR. They're in SHOCK to find Spock's waiting there, for them. They go not even knowing if they're meant to dig him up, out of the dirt. Or ... who knows what?
However, THE SEARCH for SPOCK is adamant, absolutely adamant that Kirk go rogue in this feature ... to save his friend. In the name of FRIENDSHIP! So, Harve & Lenny concoct this idea of keeping Spock's fate on Genesis a big mystery to STARFLEET. Even when Grissom finds Spock's coffin, that doesn't change anything. When they realise Spock's alive, of course, they're blown up before STARFLEET can find out.
So, saving this "surprise" for Kirk when he arrives means that the audience is confused about, among other things, why the rest of Kirk's crew has bought into throwing their careers away, when the reason why has to wait until Genesis for Saavik's reveal. And that's crazy. Which may have been why Kirk says at the beginning of this movie that the crew has bordered on obsessiveness, concerning Spock. That this somehow motivated his crew to act later, without even knowing what the hell they were going to Genesis FOR. They're in SHOCK to find Spock's waiting there, for them. They go not even knowing if they're meant to dig him up, out of the dirt. Or ... who knows what?
TSFS. Great crew chemistry. They risked giving up everything they had to save Spock, as he'd have done for them. The loss of the Enterprise. The death of Kirk's son.
"I...have had...enough of...YOU!!" Epic Kirk.
Totally agreed. It's also the first film in the series in which Sulu and Uhura do something meaningful. Leave out Chekov's wardrobe and it's four stars. For me, TUC is the runner-up as it is Scotty's finest second.
Who voted for TFF? I'll bet it was Jack Klugman.
Haha! Is Chekov's pink outfit seriously so agregious and offensive that it warrants a full-star downgrade? Perhaps you have something there... Yikes!
