What was Picard and Co. doing during the Dominion War?

[Paulcpick]

and of course the Big E made it from the Romulun Neutral Zone to near Earth in 45 Seconds too, Right? come on

seriously, this battle had to be going on for quite some time(hours or even a full day) and the Cube had sustained Heavy Damage as well. I think if you actually think about it the Defiant handled the battle pretty well.

 

[Mytran]

It was a long, slow fighting retreat. The battle began in the Typhon sector!

(OK, I don't know where that is, but presumably it's outside the Sol system)

 

[Nightdiamond]

I think the movie was set around the time after the Dominion abandoned DS9 and were calling for talks, around what I call the "stalemate" period.


Looking back, I honestly think that many, if not most, of the TNG Fans, the casual fans, and DS9 fans would have loved to see one thing- A big Dominion war movie, filled with spaced battles, graphic action, the works.

I don't think they would have cared or gotten confused at all by it.

I know, there's a lot of politics connected, but....

It's they wanted, because the response to Insurrection was pretty poor, I think due to disappointment.

With First Contact, just those brief battle scenes with the Borg Cube was enough to make me watch it again and again.

And it's not so much just the space battles, Nemesis had space battles too, but that still didn't work.

 

[Red Ranger]

I like the idea of Starfleet using the Enterprise-E for special missions during the Dominion War, such as the aforementioned novel indicating its role in liberating Betazed, rather than as front line war vessel. It's a big galaxy -- surely there'd be a need for ships on some kind of "detached" duty, despite the threat of the Dominion. But it would've been cool to see a cameo of Picard during the last ep of DSN, leading one of the important task forces.

 

[Ayelbourne]

^That wouldn't make sense considering Riker and Troi's discussion about White K... (sp?) that the Son'a could make for the Jem Hadar.

Not to mention that later in season 7 the Son'a are allied with the Dominion.

Why would the Federation try to play nice with them, if the war was already over?

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

Seeing how the DS9 production team were PO'ed enough over the Defiant being used in First Contact, I doubt they'd have allowed the TNG movie crew to do a Dominion story.

They were PO'd because the instant the ship is shown it's getting its ass handed to it and is burning in space. The objection was warranted I think- Defiant should have done a better job against the Cube since that's what it was designed to do.

We don't really know how well the defiant did against the cube. For all we know it could have been the ship absorbing all the damage.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Just the idea of combining DS9's crew and ship, with the TNG's crew and ship would have been a great movie idea, even if they didn't focus on space battles.

One of the reasons why I think that, is that because the last to TNG movies were not as popular or successful, yet DS9 had a storyline that could have provided a lot of good material and plots for a movie.

With Insurrection, it had a more crew based and "human" storyline, and with Nemesis, they had more space battles, so both approaches were attempted.

I actually liked the first TNG movie, the plot, character interaction and all.

Worf was part of DS9, but they always made sure to bring him back somehow, in each of the TNG movies, which when you look at it, seems kind of odd.

Not only that, but he somehow always end up taking his former tactical station.

Why Worf would be in Insurrection during the Dominon war, when he is the station's strategic operations officer, seems kind of strange.

So it seems like they insisted on following the classic formula of having all the old gang together all the way to the last TNG movie.

Why not just combine crews and with the popular Dominion War storyline which would credit both casts?

 

[Anwar]

The TNG Movies were made on the cheap, and I'm guessing that Paramount wouldn't have wanted to shell out the extra money to hire both casts at the same time.

Now, if the TNG movies were given budgets like the Abrams films it would've been a different story since THAT film got a REAL budget to play with.

 

[Mytran]

In theory, an excellent idea. However, with the amounts they were paying for some of the TNG actors, the cost of a combined project would be scarily high!

 

[Anwar]

Eh, couldn't be more than 50-60 million. For a studio like Paramount that's small potatoes.

 

[Withers]

You know... they could pretty easily have split that movie in half.

If the full crew had been on Defiant (the way it was literally every other time we see that ship) the Enterprise crew could have fought the Borg on Enterprise while the Defiant crew went not only to Montana to repair the damage but also to find the Borg that should have beamed to other points on Earth.

(Honestly, wouldn't it make sense for the Borg to try both avenues of assimilation at once rather than one at a time?)

That's a pipe dream obviously but it could've been done with out changing the plot a whole bunch.

-Withers-​

 

[CoveTom]

They wanted the Enterprise crew to be there but they could only get Riker and LaForge and they decided all or nothing so it was nothing.

You're telling me they couldn't get Marina Sirtis or Gates McFadden to make a cameo? I understand Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner would have been more challenging, or at least more expensive, to get. But Troi and Crusher? At least then we could have had just a throwaway line like "Captain Picard really wanted to be here, Mr. Worf, but Starfleet insisted the diplomatic conference on Brumfrunkle 47 was too important."

 

[Picard Alpha]

They wanted the Enterprise crew to be there but they could only get Riker and LaForge and they decided all or nothing so it was nothing.

You're telling me they couldn't get Marina Sirtis or Gates McFadden to make a cameo? I understand Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner would have been more challenging, or at least more expensive, to get. But Troi and Crusher? At least then we could have had just a throwaway line like "Captain Picard really wanted to be here, Mr. Worf, but Starfleet insisted the diplomatic conference on Brumfrunkle 47 was too important."

If Picard had somehow made it to the wedding on DS9, it would have been interesting to have Sisko talk with Picard about how far he's come since they last spoke, and maybe resolve that odd tension. Or perhaps Sisko could have drop kicked Picard? He did it to Q!

 

[CoveTom]

^ Agreed. I'm not one of these who wants each show to constantly be making references to the other. But having Picard show up again at some point, perhaps even having to fight in battle alongside Sisko, would have been worth seeing, and a nice follow-up on the pilot. Plus, since Picard commands the Federation flagship and Sisko was one of the top people involved in fighting the Dominion war, it seems likely they'd interact at some point.

 

[Withers]

You're telling me they couldn't get Marina Sirtis or Gates McFadden to make a cameo? I understand Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner would have been more challenging, or at least more expensive, to get. But Troi and Crusher? At least then we could have had just a throwaway line like "Captain Picard really wanted to be here, Mr. Worf, but Starfleet insisted the diplomatic conference on Brumfrunkle 47 was too important."

All I know is what I read. They really wanted to get the TNG crew (with no speaking lines oddly enough- probably because they didn't want to pay them as much) for the wedding but they could only secure Riker and LaForge since both of them had offices on the Paramount Lot. It was all or nothing so they unfortunately went with nothing.

I'd have like to see at least one more interaction between Picard and Sisko that far down the line. Anything between them would have been interesting. It's a failing to me that might Enterprise E was never so much as referenced during the war.

-Withers-​

 

[Nightdiamond]

They even included Riker and Troi for the series finale of Enterprise, and brought over Troi and Barcley for Voyager.

It seemed like any idea for a movie for DS9 was simply out of the question, which would is why it would have been nice to do a movie while the show was on.

It would have provided more publicity for the show's ongoing Dominion war plot, and visa versa - the Dominion war could have provided some great ideas for a combined TNG/DS9 cast.

I mean too many ideas- the Enterprise E fights to destroy one of those new Dominion Battleships?

Something involving Gul Dukat?



It would have been cool to see these two Captains butt heads, and cooperate with each other.

I know in the premiere episode, Sisko eventually shook hands with Picard, but he didn't exactly apologize.

Didn't that ending seem rather odd?

 

[Anwar]

The novelization made it more clear that Sisko really felt horrible about what he said before, and he recognized that Picard was a fellow victim deserving of sympathy. I think it was clear that Sisko didn't want there to be hard feelings between them (he didn't exactly blame Picard for Jennifer's death, after all...) and Picard picked up on that and didn't press the issue.

If they did meet again, Sisko would've probably said something like "Good thing you wished me good luck when I took command. I've needed every bit of it!" and shaken his hand in a friendly manner.

 

[CoveTom]

They really wanted to get the TNG crew (with no speaking lines oddly enough- probably because they didn't want to pay them as much) for the wedding but they could only secure Riker and LaForge since both of them had offices on the Paramount Lot. It was all or nothing so they unfortunately went with nothing.

Well, that makes more sense. I think I might feel slighted if I were in that position. I mean, here you've been working for Paramount for years making them money, and are currently working on a profitable film series for them, and they want you to come do a favor for the DS9 people but don't want to even have to pay you for saying a line? I can see where they might have refused.