What was L'rell's plan?

[middleagednerdgirl]

So who the hell was the Hyrbrid anyway?

LMAO. I think it was meant to be the combination of Doctor 12 and Clara, somehow, sorta. But that idea makes L'Rell taking over the Klingon Empire with a flashing box seem totally sensible in comparison.

Evil Cartoon Lorca wasn't what I wanted, but dangit if I didn't still love him as Evil Cartoon Lorca.

I have to admit that's true. Nobody makes theatrical villainy as fun (and sexy) as Jason Isaacs. But his nuanced performance up to that point shows pretty clearly how much more he's capable of. It was such a squandered opportunity it literally made me cry with frustration.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I wonder if Prime Lorca will show up season 2, or will the writers be able to resist the thirst long enough to wait for season 3.

 

[Prax]

I think Lorca, Georgieu, and Culber will all show up again. They don't just kill off characters on Discovery.

 

[Refuge]

I think Lorca, Georgieu, and Culber will all show up again. They don't just kill off characters on Discovery.

I believe Culber will continue in some form or other. I would like Lorca to reappear. I think the Georgious are toast.

 

[the Sisko]

When you put it like this, It makes a strong case that the Klingons are like Cylons: They have the ability to modify themselves and used it to implant themselves at the highest and most strategic places in the Federation. Between their intelligence capabilities and cloaking/ship strength, they basically have military and informational superiority and squander it because of infighting.

Okay, a little more seriously now... I am really having a hard time figuring out what kind of a plan you guys saw.

...

• She would kill the prisoner and subject Voq to gruesomely invasive surgery to supplant most of his body parts with the prisoner's, then superpose the prisoner's consciousness over Voq's
• She would do this at a level of sophistication that could fool all but the most painstaking and sophisticated Federation scans (despite knowing little or nothing about Federation tech, since the Empire has had only cursory contact with the Federation for decades)
• Note: she would do this instead of just implanting Voq's consciousness into Tyler's brain, which could have skipped all the messy surgery stuff (and any necessary healing time)
• She would do all of the above in complete secrecy, and in the space of three weeks, which is the elapsed time between episodes 4 and 5

 

[lawman]

A fun and enjoyable series, just with some very dumbass writing and plotting at times. Evil Cartoon Lorca wasn't what I wanted, but dangit if I didn't still love him as Evil Cartoon Lorca.

Props on your adaptability. I couldn't find it in me to enjoy that.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Props on your adaptability. I couldn't find it in me to enjoy that.

Here's hoping that season 2 brings you something to enjoy!

 

[middleagednerdgirl]

I think Lorca, Georgieu, and Culber will all show up again. They don't just kill off characters on Discovery.

Everyone has outright said Culber is coming back, and it will piss off a loud section of the audience if he doesn't. He will return through some sort of Mycelial Magic and I don't think it will be a long wait.

Georgiou's exit was blatantly set up in such a way as to allow her to come back as a recurring character, once or many times. If she doesn't, it's because The Powers That Be couldn't come to an agreement with Michelle Yeoh. And I doubt that, since she was obviously having a grand time chewing scenery (and ganglia). She could be the Q of Discovery and I for one would be down for that.

I am fairly confident that we will also see Prime Lorca, but I'm not sure when or in what capacity. This may have been part of the plan all along, or not. If not, I'm sure shit is happening to make it so. Jason Isaacs was not only stellar on screen, he did a better job of promoting Discovery than the whole damn marketing department, and if he didn't love it he's an even better actor than I thought. I could believe anything from a one-shot deal where Lorca resurfaces (or is rescued) to him showing up as captain in Season 2 Episode 1. I do NOT think Mirror Lorca is coming back. I think he's pretty thoroughly dead. Except MAYBE as a malevolent ghost haunting Stamets inside the network. I could envision that.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Georgiou as a Q-flavored recurring trouble-making-sort-of-villain is damn okay in my book.

 

[Refuge]

Jason Isaacs was not only stellar on screen, he did a better job of promoting Discovery than the whole damn marketing department...

He was pretty good at drawing attention.

 

[Prax]

Everyone has outright said Culber is coming back, and it will piss off a loud section of the audience if he doesn't. He will return through some sort of Mycelial Magic and I don't think it will be a long wait.

Georgiou's exit was blatantly set up in such a way as to allow her to come back as a recurring character, once or many times. If she doesn't, it's because The Powers That Be couldn't come to an agreement with Michelle Yeoh. And I doubt that, since she was obviously having a grand time chewing scenery (and ganglia). She could be the Q of Discovery and I for one would be down for that.

I am fairly confident that we will also see Prime Lorca, but I'm not sure when or in what capacity. This may have been part of the plan all along, or not. If not, I'm sure shit is happening to make it so. Jason Isaacs was not only stellar on screen, he did a better job of promoting Discovery than the whole damn marketing department, and if he didn't love it he's an even better actor than I thought. I could believe anything from a one-shot deal where Lorca resurfaces (or is rescued) to him showing up as captain in Season 2 Episode 1. I do NOT think Mirror Lorca is coming back. I think he's pretty thoroughly dead. Except MAYBE as a malevolent ghost haunting Stamets inside the network. I could envision that.

Are you saying I'm predicting the obvious?

 

[Timo]

Regarding the weak link in the plan as outlined by many here - L'Rell being able to count on Lorca working in a certain fashion, taking Tyler under his wing and so forth - "Choose Your Pain" appears to provide its own answers there, too.

Lorca simply must have been a known quantity to the Klingon spymasters from the get-go. How else would they know to kidnap him from his shuttle? He wasn't flying deep into Klingon territory to meet his ship or anything. He was specifically targeted in a daring raid into UFP-held territory.

The Klingons knew who Lorca was, supposedly through having studied the mysterious ghost ship which was hopping from place to place and no doubt sometimes leaving witnesses who could read the name and registry off her hull. It makes sense for them to set up the imprisonment in such a fashion as to endear Lorca to Tyler, and to let it flow from there.

Of course, the plan all along had been to turn Voq into human so that he could get all the glory and L'Rell would become the Queen of the Empire. But directing that plan at Gabriel Lorca was improvisation, performed in a relatively short time, ultimately semi-successfully. Too bad that the other bits weren't even semi.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[lawman]

Yeah, if the Klingons (specifically L'rell) had intel on Lorca, that would help make sense of things. Of course, a line or two of dialogue at some point could have cleared that right up. Otherwise, it requires us to assume a bunch of stuff not in evidence concerning what they knew about him and how they knew it.

 

[Lord Garth]

Post return, her plan is to seize control of the Klingon empire, impose a religious/honor based code, turn warlords over each house into senators on a "high council" and unify it's military and diplomatic corps. This is to make the empire a more effective, but still Klingon empire with quadrant-wide force projection.

I wonder now if part of DSC being a prequel means we'll get to see how the Klingon Empire as we know it in TNG and DS9 came to be and how the High Council came together?

 

[Prax]

Isn't there already a high council?

 

[WarpFactorZ]

In episode 4, L'rell and Voq had just spent six months loitering on a disabled ship (for whatever reason)...

Perhaps this will shed some light...

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[Lord Garth]

Isn't there already a high council?

The Klingons seem about as divided as the Kazon. The four Klingons T'Kuvma was speaking to: were they technically called The High Council? And even if they are, I'm wondering if DSC will show how it becomes the High Council in the way we know it later.

The USA is governed under the Constitution when before it was The Articles of Confederation. Or Democrats today aren't Andrew Jackson's Democrats and Republicans today aren't Abraham Lincoln's. That's along the lines of what I mean.

Will we see the Empire go from being one way to something else?

 

[lawman]

That's the kind of internal Klingon political intrigue I was thinking we might see this season. Given how diligently the show avoided it, I'm not getting my hopes up for the future.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Well, the counsel seemed to be in an underground cave in Will You Take My Hand so I'm going to go on the assumption that they are still the 'low' counsel at this point.

 

[Prax]

I was thinking of Enterprise. They seemed to have a high council back then. I remember defense attorney martok saying something like "and this human stood before the Klingon high council..."