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What type of ship is the Intrepid Class

It's kind of a paradox, really. Because of her high top speed and "stripped down" design, that suggests long range, high risk exploration. But, her minimal armament (no quantum torpedoes or pulse phasers, only 38 photons) suggests she wasn't intended for dealing with serious threats.
 
Then again, bringing aboard 1,500 torps would be no trouble at all. "Full combat loadout" is but a number, to be changed at the push of a PADD button.

Whether 400 of those could be quantums is a different issue. The two ships so far witnessed firing those in this era, Sovereign and Defiant, both fired them from tubes that fired nothing else. Is a special type of launcher required? Torres could of course have modified everything till it accepted prefragmented black holes for ammo (see "Dreadnought"), but possibly quantums really are reserved for special ships at the time.

Pulse phasers... Seem to be anti-Borg weapons, although they do just as nicely as any other death ray in the usual fights against the Dominion. I doubt they are supposed to be better in any other sense.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I don't see any reason Voyager could not make replacement torpedoes, they had all the resources on board and plenty of time between adventures. The casing and components are small and could be replicated, they had antimatter for the warhead, the only thing missing was a single line of dialogue. Maybe cut a little out of one of those speeches about the ideals of the Federation or coffee....

The issue with comes from a line in Caretaker which went something along the lines off "We only have 38 torpedoes and no way to replace them" so one can infer that they didn't have any such equipment onboard to replace them or they contained elements which couldn't be replicated, which would mean something more complex like a shuttle should also be beyond them. But as you say a lot of this could have been avoided by a throw away line you could even do it in one of the opening Captain's Log. I.e Captains Log Star date 49312.2 we have resumed our course to Earth following some much needed shore leave on Omicron Persia 9, Engineering also reports they have found a way to replenish our supplies of Photon torpedoes.

Or the Borg gave them some during their alliance.
 
I'm of the mind that quantum torpedoes require special launchers. In "First Contact" (the movie), even though they were facing Borg, most of the ships were still using photons. And the quantum ones were obviously bigger and more potent. Were they interchangeable, the whole fleet would have been packing quantums.

And remember what the Defiant's pulse phasers did to Jem'Hadar fighters. One burst, and they were space pollution. If Voyager was intended for serious combat, it would certainly have had them, at least in its forward array.
 
The issue with comes from a line in Caretaker which went something along the lines off "We only have 38 torpedoes and no way to replace them" so one can infer that they didn't have any such equipment onboard to replace them or they contained elements which couldn't be replicated, which would mean something more complex like a shuttle should also be beyond them. But as you say a lot of this could have been avoided by a throw away line you could even do it in one of the opening Captain's Log. I.e Captains Log Star date 49312.2 we have resumed our course to Earth following some much needed shore leave on Omicron Persia 9, Engineering also reports they have found a way to replenish our supplies of Photon torpedoes.

Or the Borg gave them some during their alliance.
Yup. It was called out and never addressed. One line addressing it and it all goes away.
 
A great many of Voyager's worst inconsistencies could have been dealt with thus. A few lines of dialogue and done. These include the end of the power problem, torpedo replenishment, building an endless supply of shuttles (not to mention space hot rods that not even Starfleet has), the one-person autodestruct sequence, and a certain ensign who should have been a lieutenant long ago. Less than 90 seconds of added dialogue (84.9 by my measurement) throughout the entire series would have sufficed.

I sometimes wonder, were they...
1. Super sloppy.
2. Genuinely thinking we were too stupid to notice.
3. Actively trying to piss us off by rubbing our nose in the fact that they were in charge and we weren't.
 
Intrepids seem to be (by 24th century standards), short-range explorers. Operating for long periods away from a Starbase seem to stretch the resources, no families or civilian crew, and I think there was even a comment in an early ep about it being unfortunate they weren't a Galaxy-class ship in their predicament.
There would have been no difference. What can the Next Gen Enterprise do that Voyager doesn't? Nothing.
 
The issue with comes from a line in Caretaker which went something along the lines off "We only have 38 torpedoes and no way to replace them" so one can infer that they didn't have any such equipment onboard to replace them or they contained elements which couldn't be replicated, which would mean something more complex like a shuttle should also be beyond them.

And it's pretty obvious in the context why this should be: the ship is broken. I really don't feel the need for an extra line to reiterate that.

The only other ship to have suffered from a shortage of torpedoes in the history of Star Trek was the Defiant, being "down to" 45 at one point of "WYLB". Possibly she didn't have the onboard equipment to create more - but just as probably, ships in the heat of combat don't replicate torps to meet the needs of the hour, and the tactically smart thing to do is to go for centralized resupply from replicators elsewhere. We do know torp warheads are a non-triviality, deemed worth stealing in "Tribunal", but we never get indication that they would be unreplicable as such (the Maquis had access to replicators and still could be framed for the theft, so replicators aren't a trivial solution - which already covers all the bases and allows them to be a solution in the right circumstances anyway).

I'm of the mind that quantum torpedoes require special launchers. In "First Contact" (the movie), even though they were facing Borg, most of the ships were still using photons. And the quantum ones were obviously bigger and more potent. Were they interchangeable, the whole fleet would have been packing quantums.

The weird thing is that quantums never really were more potent. Here, four of them are fired to destroy a small and unshielded target - single photons have dealt with larger unshielded structures before. In "Defiant", volleys merely hurt and disabled Cardassian ships, rather than blowing chunks off them. Photons can be fired in volleys that do little damage (to shielded targets), too, so there really isn't any telling. Adjustable yield warheads and all that. In the end, though, quantums have failed to demonstrate superior yield.

Where they appear to excel is killing proximal targets without danger to the firing vessel herself. It's probably really nice to have the option of using torps at close ranges, in addition to phasers, even if those aren't super-duper-strong torps.

And remember what the Defiant's pulse phasers did to Jem'Hadar fighters. One burst, and they were space pollution. If Voyager was intended for serious combat, it would certainly have had them, at least in its forward array.

Anybody can make space dust out of Jemmie battlebugs. Keogh just wouldn't have chosen to, in the first encounter.

Klingon BoPs fire spray-and-pray pulses, too, and kill bugs with a single burst. But sustained Starfleet beams kill BoPs equally easily. And beams carve up Excelsiors, but pulse volleys don't even char them. There's no consistent superiority for either mode of death ray application.

Pulses would be great against the Borg if the key to victory is varying some parameter in the beam. Perhaps the hardware doesn't bend to ramping the parameter up and down, and works better by turning off for the duration of the adjustment? Or then a hail of differently set pulses is more effective than a ramping beam in surprising the Borg. But clearly "varying of parameter" is no good in standard combat against standard opponents, because it is not standard procedure, either as regards death rays or as regards shields. Intuitive enough: fidgeting detracts from doing.

Timo Saloniemi
 
IIRC Quantum Torpedoes used the same style launchers, the reason they were not being used by evrryone was because it was a new technology and very difficult to supply in quantity.

Does anyone recall a mention that the weapons pod on the Miranda class was capable of producing replacement photon torpedoes, not quickly enough to help in battle but to help replenish afterwards?
 
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