What type of ship is the Intrepid Class

[Oddish]

I think the showrunners probably preferred to avoid referencing it. It was one of those inconvenient holdovers from the series premise (Maquis acceptance, torpedoes, food and power shortages, continuity of damage to the ship etc.) that was deliberately forgotten it became more of a TNG clone.

Which is acceptable; they an take the show where they want it. They just need to throw a bone to those of us nitpicky types who actually count torpedoes fired, or take notice of a character doesn't rank up when they should. A 45-second scene during a teaser could have resolved both those issues.

 

[at Quark's]

Which is acceptable; they an take the show where they want it. They just need to throw a bone to those of us nitpicky types who actually count torpedoes fired, or take notice of a character doesn't rank up when they should. A 45-second scene during a teaser could have resolved both those issues.

It could even have been done without a scene, just a single sentence and one of those exterior shots of the ship they already use in each ep anyway: 'Captains log, stardate 48916.3. I gave Harry Kim a promotion to Lieutenant, JG. for his invaluable contributions towards setting up the photon torpedo and shuttle manufacturing processes'.

 

[Oddish]

It could even have been done without a scene, just a single sentence and one of those exterior shots of the ship they already use in each ep anyway: 'Captains log, stardate 48916.3. I gave Harry Kim a promotion to Lieutenant, JG. for his invaluable contributions towards setting up the photon torpedo and shuttle manufacturing processes'.

Yes. It would have been perfect for "Night". Chakotay's doing the log, and he mentions:
* Voyager's new industrial replicator, online and running nominally.
* The decision to use the long downtime to replenish Voyager's dwindling supply of shuttles and torpedoes.
* That Harry has been placed in charge of the Shuttle Fabrication Team, and the new responsibilities come with a promotion to lieutenant. The whole thing would take about 15, maybe 20 seconds.
* Later in "Night", when discussing Janeway's isolation, they could say something like "last time we saw her was at Harry's promotion party, and she slipped out early".
* And in "Extreme Risk", Tom mentions that they already have the shuttle building crew up and running full steam, they just need to reassign them to building the Flyer.

 

[trekshark]

The shuttle thing bothers me a little. I can see constructing the Delta Flyer, but the constant replacement shuttles was overkill. The writers liked destroying shuttles a little too much as a plot device.

I would have been nice if the show had stuck to at least some of the constraints laid out in the pilot and first season, such as the small number of photon torpedoes. Creative problem solving makes for an interesting story (e.g. The Martian).

it'd have been nice if they were shown cannibalizing some shuttles to make the Flyer

 

[Oddish]

For four seasons, they were careful to stay within the stated limit of 38 torpedoes (which reinforces the view that Voyager was a ship for exploration, not combat: the Enterprise D had 250). From "Night" on, they basically said "screw it".

 

[TommyR01D]

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[Oddish]

Maybe unused biomolecular warheads can be swapped out with normal antimatter warheads. But still, they ran out around S4 or S5.

And the irritating thing is that all they needed to do was add in some throwaway dialogue about trading for an industrial replicator that could produce torpedoes, or trading with a people who used photonic weapons compatible with Voyager's launchers, or SOMETHING! Something that acknowledged that they knew we were paying attention.

 

[Richard Baker]

Something that acknowledged that they knew we were paying attention.

Or something to show us that they were paying attention

 

[Oddish]

These people were supposed to be professionals, and they couldn't even count to 38. Or they thought we couldn't.

 

[at Quark's]

For four seasons, they were careful to stay within the stated limit of 38 torpedoes (which reinforces the view that Voyager was a ship for exploration, not combat: the Enterprise D had 250). From "Night" on, they basically said "screw it".

Then again, we have an explicit statement from Paris that it was built for combat (performance) in the Thaw:

PARIS: This ship was built for combat performance, Harry, not musical performance. Nobody figured we'd be taking any long trips.

Then again given the context, 'combat performance' is juxtaposed here with 'musical performance' because (I suppose) you can't really talk about 'exploration performance'. All in all, I'd interpret combat performance to be important mainly to make independent exploration possible, taking into account you'll sooner or later run into situations you'll have to at least show you can defend yourself if need be.

 

[Oddish]

Hmm... seems like a ship intended for combat would carry the latest hardware: quantum torpedoes and pulse phasers. And if it was limited to photons, it would have at least 100 of them. The Enterprise D, a non-combat vessel (it hauled kids for crying out loud) had 250.

 

[ThatsMrCaptaintoyou]

Hmm... seems like a ship intended for combat would carry the latest hardware: quantum torpedoes and pulse phasers. And if it was limited to photons, it would have at least 100 of them. The Enterprise D, a non-combat vessel (it hauled kids for crying out loud) had 250.

It did carry Spatial Charges and Tricobalt Devices for some reason... but that's another discussion

 

[Oddish]

I'd like to see a list of Federation ordnance, complete with nominal yield. Anyone know where there is one?

 

[Richard Baker]

I don't see any reason Voyager could not make replacement torpedoes, they had all the resources on board and plenty of time between adventures. The casing and components are small and could be replicated, they had antimatter for the warhead, the only thing missing was a single line of dialogue. Maybe cut a little out of one of those speeches about the ideals of the Federation or coffee....

 

[at Quark's]

I don't see any reason Voyager could not make replacement torpedoes, they had all the resources on board and plenty of time between adventures. The casing and components are small and could be replicated, they had antimatter for the warhead, the only thing missing was a single line of dialogue. Maybe cut a little out of one of those speeches about the ideals of the Federation or coffee....

Well, there really isn't a good reason, except that Janeway explicitly says they can't, so I'll have to take that as a given. However, my head canon always has been that she meant 'there's no way to replace them at this time', seeing that she said this early in season 1, when they had far more pressing concerns, and that somewhere along the line they got self-sufficient enough to actually start building them, and even shuttles.

 

[Oddish]

I don't see any reason Voyager could not make replacement torpedoes, they had all the resources on board and plenty of time between adventures. The casing and components are small and could be replicated, they had antimatter for the warhead, the only thing missing was a single line of dialogue. Maybe cut a little out of one of those speeches about the ideals of the Federation or coffee....

Voyager could have eliminated no fewer than six of its worst inconsistencies by adding about 60 seconds of dialogue. For the whole show.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't see any reason Voyager could not make replacement torpedoes, they had all the resources on board and plenty of time between adventures. The casing and components are small and could be replicated, they had antimatter for the warhead, the only thing missing was a single line of dialogue. Maybe cut a little out of one of those speeches about the ideals of the Federation or coffee....

Again, one line of dialog. That's all it takes. But, as much as I am all for indulging in head canon, it is never addressed. All we get is a line about how they can't get more. Which is an interesting premise and has the potential for a lot of drama. But, it is never treated as such.

 

[publiusr]

I can see two Intrepids to either side of a Galaxy class as a task force

 

[USS Excelsior]

It was designed to be both quick and smart.

 

[arch101]

Intrepids seem to be (by 24th century standards), short-range explorers. Operating for long periods away from a Starbase seem to stretch the resources, no families or civilian crew, and I think there was even a comment in an early ep about it being unfortunate they weren't a Galaxy-class ship in their predicament.