Obviously, the Genesis device formed the planet with all the matter in the nebula.
What Trek visual effect do you think was the WORST?
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Obviously, the Genesis device formed the planet with all the matter in the nebula.
What I thought the worst visual effect was in TMP. What I did'nt like was when the Enterprse went into warp, it had all those color lights and to me it just didn't look right. In the shows and other movies when the Enterprise goes into warp it didnt have that look as TMP. The visual effects of warp look relastic and looked good, but not in TMP. Another visual effect I didnt like was the worm hole, it just looked like spirals with a black background, totaly unrealstic looking. It was worst visuals effects I seen in tv shows/movies I seen.
Isn't that a bit reversed logic? When TMP was released, this was the FIRST warp effect EVER. There was no more "realistic" warp look in 1979, because the TMP warp style was the only one.
^ Beat me to it. 
I remember seeing TMP in theatres and the whole audience just went... "WHOA!" when the Enterprise went to warp.
Actually, I think there were a few that said "Holy Sh*t!!" (then Mom covered my ears). 
Cheers,
-CM-
I remember seeing TMP in theatres and the whole audience just went... "WHOA!" when the Enterprise went to warp.
Actually, I think there were a few that said "Holy Sh*t!!" (then Mom covered my ears). Cheers,
-CM-
^
I think it's quite accurate too. White light is made up from different colours and we are aware of the "red shift" phenomonon.
I saw the movies before the series, so I probably didn't appreciate the homage.
Ah! Thanks for the explanation! I get it now!
I think it's quite accurate too. White light is made up from different colours and we are aware of the "red shift" phenomonon.
I saw the movies before the series, so I probably didn't appreciate the homage.
Quantum Proto-matter flux in gravitational conversion fooled your eyes, Mike.
It's okay, you didn't know any better.
Ah! Thanks for the explanation! I get it now!
Yes, the torpedo decided to exceed its programming limitations and spontaneously create a planet.
Apparently with a SUN by the way.
Pretty smart torpedo.
Genesis = Regula.
Mutara = planetary nebula around dying red giant.
Sun = last few centuries of hydrogen burning for the former main sequence star.
Lack of Mutara in TSFS = VFX error.
Anyway, I liked the time travel sequence. I thought it was kind of inappropriate, but not poorly done.
I guess my vote goes to any stock footage. That's unforgivable in a feature film.
Mutara = planetary nebula around dying red giant.
Sun = last few centuries of hydrogen burning for the former main sequence star.
Lack of Mutara in TSFS = VFX error.
Anyway, I liked the time travel sequence. I thought it was kind of inappropriate, but not poorly done.
I guess my vote goes to any stock footage. That's unforgivable in a feature film.
The corridor extensions in the Scimitar {and the Enterprise when Riker is fighting the viceroy) in Nemesis look like shit. The Scimitar shuttlebay looks like shit too.
I know they wanted to make it look more 'real' but the displays, viewscreens, etc in Nemesis really suffer from being LCDs/Plasmas instead of whatever they used on the previous movies and even the show. I don't know if those were just mattes and actual monitors were cheaper or what but when the damn SHOW looks better...that's a bad thing.
I know they wanted to make it look more 'real' but the displays, viewscreens, etc in Nemesis really suffer from being LCDs/Plasmas instead of whatever they used on the previous movies and even the show. I don't know if those were just mattes and actual monitors were cheaper or what but when the damn SHOW looks better...that's a bad thing.
Without knowing that it's just purple. And I always liked the purple Klingon blood.
Someone bet me to it, but In V when the BOP fires at the Enterprise, all we see is a freakin' 2D picture of the Enterprise streaking past camera. Craaaap.
In fact, the Enterprise in TFF looked so damn cheap. The bad FX team didn't know how to light it properly. It looked like a POS white plastic model. I know that is exactly what it was, but the other movies are proof of what I'm saying.
Oh yeah, the shuttle crash sequence was rubbish, as well as the gay little impulse burst that the shuttle made before crashing into a not so very accurate mock-up of the shuttle bay.
In fact, the Enterprise in TFF looked so damn cheap. The bad FX team didn't know how to light it properly. It looked like a POS white plastic model. I know that is exactly what it was, but the other movies are proof of what I'm saying.
Oh yeah, the shuttle crash sequence was rubbish, as well as the gay little impulse burst that the shuttle made before crashing into a not so very accurate mock-up of the shuttle bay.
Where the sun came from is a way better question than where the planet came from. Since the nebula disappears during the explosion and is replaced by a planet, it seems pretty likely this was the intended idea. We're told that Genesis is intended to reorganize matter at a subatomic level or whatever, creating geograpy and ecosystems. It's no stretch.
I recently read here on the BBS that most or all of the effects shots in STV showing the Enterprise used 2D cutouts of the ship, rather than motion-control capture of the actual model. So what we were seeing in V was essentially the camera shooting a photograph of the ship set against space.
Not sure if this is true or not, but 1) I have no reason to doubt it, and 2) it explains all the perspective problems with the moving ship in STV.
As for worst effects in the films ... the BoP crash sequence in IV was pretty rough. Perspective was off in the bridge fly-under shot, the crash was obviously done with a miniature (the water didn't scale up at all, so it was probably a small one), and the set they built to represent the BoP nose didn't look a thing like the miniature.
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No, that'd be an easy explanation, but not the right one. There are tons of movies that use still cutouts and you can't even tell (SILENT RUNNING used them in a variety of ways, as did 2001, and the E-a is supposedly replaced by a still for the last part of the jump to warp at the end of TVH), but most of the TFF shots that people bitch about as cutouts are actual model shots (most of them mo-con) that are just done badly, usually without motion blur, because The Optical House, Ferren's compositing subcontractor, had a problem matting blurring objects successfully.
That warp shot ducking the torp is definitely a miniature shot, but the streak looks off kilter plus the blur is not present on the ship.
Personally, I'd've preferred to see still cutouts used in the DE of TMP, esp since there was almost no perspective change on the new Enterprise shots. By using photographs that are higher quality than the taking film (like using Hasselblads), you can't recognize photographic giveaways.
The shot where Sybok has Sulu accelerate toward the great barrier sure looks like a still, that is one I'd imagine was a cutout, and maybe the E in distance as shuttlecraft is in foreground approach, but the others are model shots. Even the parked against the moon one. Cinefex 42 covers the horrors of TFF (some of them anyway.)
I thought the crash looked rather nice myself. Very Voyage-to-the-Bottom-of-the-Sea-y.
Most of Star Trek V and every warp effect from Star Trek 3 onwards (the latter just being a personal taste thing) are the only bad stand-outs for me.
I generally find Star trek films always have very good special effects. Not the most exciting sometimes (or often) but usually of high quality. Most of ILM's work is fantastic and I never understand the issues people seem to take with Insurrection and Nemesis. FX wise, these are good looking films.
I generally find Star trek films always have very good special effects. Not the most exciting sometimes (or often) but usually of high quality. Most of ILM's work is fantastic and I never understand the issues people seem to take with Insurrection and Nemesis. FX wise, these are good looking films.
It's been awhile since I've seen TUC, but could it be that the blood that ended up splattering all over the floor looked different than the CGI globules?
By the way, at the time of the film, my fourth grade teacher was absolutely tickled at the sight of floating liquid turning into floating balls in TUC. She had always wondered what a liquid would look like in zero gravity, but never got to see NASA footage (hey, this was before the internet was widespread). After she saw TUC, she shared that neat little tidbit to us, her class. Score one for Trekkie education!
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