What The Heck?....That Makes No Sense.

[Commishsleer]

Well other people seem to have moved when Spock accelerates to the Scalosian levels but Scotty has hardly moved one inch since the earlier scene with Kirk! They should have moved him on slightly just to prove that Scalosians don't live their whole life compared to ours within a week!
JB

Exactly.
If only they had done this.
In my head every time I see Scotty in the transporter room in this episode I say " move Scotty move just a couple of feet come on'.
That and Compton's betrayal gives me what the heck about this episode.
Still love the episode and its still entertaining

 

[Phaser Two]

Good call, Phase! We never got a good enough explanation about the turbo lifts either did we?
JB

We did not! In the episode as aired, the bridge turbolift appears to be frozen open when Kirk is accelerated, but no other turbolift on another deck was shown, so we don't know if the Scalosians shut them down (like Khan) to impede the crew, or froze the doors of the lifts open so they could use them. Neither explanation is entirely satisfying; (1) the crew seems to get around fine and (2) I sort of doubt that using the lifts with the doors open would be particularly safe. Plus, keeping the doors of the lifts open wouldn't help the Scalosians much as the lifts would still travel at non-accelerated speeds. That right there might support the "dimensional shift" theory pretty well actually; are we supposed to believe that Deela was climbing ladders and Jefferies tubes in her outfit? (There's also Kirk walking off the bridge, clearly indicated by the audio, after Deela accelerates him.)

Exactly.
If only they had done this.
In my head every time I see Scotty in the transporter room in this episode I say " move Scotty move just a couple of feet come on'.
That and Compton's betrayal gives me what the heck about this episode.
Still love the episode and its still entertaining

Just a couple of posts above I concluded that Scotty did move forward. Probably. I rack up Compton's betrayal to the apparently routine mental "adjustment" that Deela mentions, which has the added bonus of making Kirk look awesome for resisting it. It also makes Compton's personal loyalty to Kirk, which gets him sadly killed, touching.

 

[UssGlenn]

I assumed most of Compton's betrayal had to do with how long he'd been captive (weeks? months?). A Stockholm Syndrome situation.

 

[Phaser Two]

I assumed most of Compton's betrayal had to do with how long he'd been captive (weeks? months?). A Stockholm Syndrome situation.

Absolutely. That works too. So does the fact that he was seduced by the unnamed female Scalosian (the young lady played by the actress we still can't identify, I don't believe). His exchange with Kirk pretty much confirms this.

 

[Commishsleer]

Just a couple of posts above I concluded that Scotty did move forward. Probably. I rack up Compton's betrayal to the apparently routine mental "adjustment" that Deela mentions, which has the added bonus of making Kirk look awesome for resisting it. It also makes Compton's personal loyalty to Kirk, which gets him sadly killed, touching.

Scotty didn't move enough for my liking.

Maybe they tortured Compton into submission. They peobably had a couple of days with him telling him he was stuck there with them forever but to help them do it to everyone else seems a terrible betrayal.
And I like you loved his turnaround for Kirk.

 

[Phaser Two]

Scotty didn't move enough for my liking.

Gotcha. I think you're right. That may have been because the director wanted him to serve as the doorstop, though. Not sure.

Maybe they tortured Compton into submission. They peobably had a couple of days with him telling him he was stuck there with them forever but to help them do it to everyone else seems a terrible betrayal.
And I like you loved his turnaround for Kirk.

I hope they didn't torture him. It seems unlikely that Deela, who was firmly in charge as we see, would have allowed that. From the dialogue I assume they kept him confined for a while, then - with the help of the mental "adjustment" and his attraction to Nameless Scalosian Lady - he gave in. As he says, he "couldn't help himself."

 

[Mysterion]

But, as we all know, "Court Martial" takes place in a world where magnifying a sound by a factor of "one to the fourth power" makes it louder...
.

"But this one goes to eleven..."

 

[FormerLurker]

are we supposed to believe that Deela was climbing ladders and Jefferies tubes in her outfit?

You're making me imagine things I'd get in trouble for if I discussed them.

 

[Phaser Two]

You're making me imagine things I'd get in trouble for if I discussed them.

I see. Well who can blame you, and I don't think there's any question that as a young kid seeing WOE for the first time, I liked Deela but wasn't really sure why. Then I realized I loved the episode anyway. Then I grew up (a little) and still love it, for multiple reasons.

 

[Discofan]

The entire episode makes no sense whatsoever. This is the kind of episode you'd better hope have a high entertaining value because the more you think about them the more annoying they get.

 

[cgervasi]

I assumed most of Compton's betrayal had to do with how long he'd been captive (weeks? months?). A Stockholm Syndrome situation.

I thought the Scalosian water had multiple effects: speeds things up, makes minors scrapes deadly, and makes you docile and willing to take orders from the Scalosians.

 

[Timo]

Well, it didn't have that latter effect on all Scalosians, so it's excusable it didn't have the effect on Kirk, either. Or then it's proof enough that such an effect did not exist, and that Stockholm syndrome is the more logical explanation for Compton's compliance in a hopeless situation.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[thribs]

In "Patterns of Force," Kirk and Spock are fitted with subcutaneous transponders so the Enterprise can keep track of them even if they lose their communicators.

Seems like a good idea, which kinda makes you wonder why this wasn't standard procedure?

They were crazy expensive back then. The ship only had a couple.

 

[Discofan]

Shatner's portrayal of a woman was of someone doing their nails when not actively working...

 

[gottacook]

Happened to see "For the World Is Hollow..." tonight, and if I'm not mistaken, McCoy uses a communicator to call the ship when he discovers that they may be able to get Yonada back on course ("I've seen the book that contains all the knowledge of the creators," etc., just before the Instrument of Obedience zaps him), even though we clearly see him giving his communicator and phaser to Kirk and Spock several scenes earlier on the "surface" when he tells them he's staying on Yonada. So did he have a spare communicator? And why didn't I notice this before?

 

[johnnybear]

I assumed most of Compton's betrayal had to do with how long he'd been captive (weeks? months?). A Stockholm Syndrome situation.

Plus he was going to be the companion of one of the Scalosian ladies but all he got was an early death!
Plus in another reality he was reborn as a pilot who was probably devoured by the Ovions on Carillon!!!
JB

 

[Commishsleer]

I thought the Scalosian water had multiple effects: speeds things up, makes minors scrapes deadly, and makes you docile and willing to take orders from the Scalosians.

Sort of like the Nexus.
1. Both affect time.
2. Everyone affected comes to want to stay there (except Kirk).
3. Its hard to leave.
4. I suppose to the Scalosians the people of the Enterprise seem to live forever.

Deela actually believed Kirk became docile so they must have done something to cause it unless her father just accepted the situation as if he were docile or there was something to the water and Kirk was just super-resistant..

 

[johnnybear]

Those that were accelerated and becoming docile seemed to be just an effect of the process after a few hours rather than any particular trait as Rael was a pretty mean customer himself!
JB

 

[Discofan]

Sort of like the Nexus.
1. Both affect time.
2. Everyone affected comes to want to stay there (except Kirk).
3. Its hard to leave.
4. I suppose to the Scalosians the people of the Enterprise seem to live forever.

Deela actually believed Kirk became docile so they must have done something to cause it unless her father just accepted the situation as if he were docile or there was something to the water and Kirk was just super-resistant..

Except the Nexus wasn't hard to leave. All you had to do is wish it.

 

[johnnybear]

Sounds like my idea of Heaven!
JB