What story elements would you remove or just forget exist from canon?

[The Wormhole]

And Klingons don't really have a religion, per se... according to "Homefront", their gods are dead.

Their gods may be dead, but they've definitely deified Kahless and built a religion around him, complete with a second coming mythology.

 

[Tallguy]

There's also that whole Sto'Vo'Kor thing (or the Black Fleet if you want to go all John M. Ford / Discovery).

 

[fireproof78]

And the Barge of the Dead.

And Gre'thor.

And Fek'lar (or whatever he was called).

 

[Nerys Myk]

He had a hat on that concealed his brow ridges.

And he looked like a Klingon wearing a hat.

 

[Orphalesion]

Religion in Klingon and Vulcan society. No MA, there is no Religion in a logical society.

Huge mis-steps in STIII and TNG

The argument about whether religion has a place in a "logical" society.

Since when are the Klingons a "logical" society? Plus the religion Berman Trek gave the Klingons was the biggest "have your cake and eat it too" nonsense anyway. They have a religion...but their gods are all dead because they killed them.

Come to think of it, the Vulcans also have a non-theistic system of beliefs.

 

[Kor]

You forgot TAS. Maybe they know something we don't?

Yes, Spock/Selek casually mentioning that he is on his way to honor the family gods, and Sarek doesn't bat an eye.

Kor

 

[Oddish]

Given that Star Trek canonically features sentients' souls, resurrection of the dead, and omnipotent beings, it's a little ridiculous to say that the characters shouldn't have religious beliefs.

 

[Tallguy]

Roddenberry even gave the Vulcans a seventh sense that can detect the "creative force of the universe".

Diane Duane had a great bit in Spock's World where McCoy finds this out.

 

[drt]

Yes, Spock/Selek casually mentioning that he is on his way to honor the family gods, and Sarek doesn't bat an eye.

Vulcans love their traditions, I always took that more as another ceremonial activity than belief in something supernatural.

 

[Sci]

I would remove all reference to the Federation Starfleet supposedly not being a military.

I would remove all references to the United Earth Starfleet from Star Trek: Enterprise and rename Archer's service as the United Earth Space Administration (UESPA). I would also remove all references to transporters, phase pistols, phase cannons, and photonic torpedoes from ENT and instead only use shuttles and projectile weapons.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

They should have lampshaded it by using TOS makeup when he's on the station

IIRC, that was the original plan! Whenever he was on K-7 Worf was supposed to appear as a TOS Klingon and no one would even notice the difference.

I would also remove all references to transporters, phase pistols, phase cannons, and photonic torpedoes from ENT and instead only use shuttles and projectile weapons.

Pretty sure the showrunners never wanted to include any of those things either...but UPN made them.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nah

IIRC, that was the original plan! Whenever he was on K-7 Worf was supposed to appear as a TOS Klingon and no one would even notice the difference.

Nah, I made that up years ago and it has somehow drifted into be “fact”.

 

[Tallguy]

IIRC, that was the original plan! Whenever he was on K-7 Worf was supposed to appear as a TOS Klingon and no one would even notice the difference.

Nah

Nah, I made that up years ago and it has somehow drifted into be “fact”.

You're a bad person and you do bad things.

(Because that would have been AWWWWWESOME!)

 

[Quantum21]

Even if "no religion in logical society" could be used against the Vulcans, why would it be used against the Klingons? They have never been depicted as a "logical society" so why can't they have religion, according to your reasoning?

Because the Great Bird kept it out of Trek till STIII, then after that created souls and questionable theology, TNG did the same, this time mostly after his death.

"We have no devil, Kirk": Kang

 

[fireproof78]

I blame Nimoy.

 

[Oddish]

"We have no devil, Kirk": Kang

"The Klingons call me Fek'lar." - Ardra

 

[Quantum21]

I blame Nimoy.

Well yes. But Klingon monasteries?? C'mon Ron Moore!! OK, if we HAVE to. At least time crystals are real...

 

[fireproof78]

Well yes. But Klingon monasteries?? C'mon Ron Moore!! OK, if we HAVE to. At least time crystals are real...

Why not? Some Klingons might adhere to the old gods.

 

[Quantum21]

"The Klingons call me Fek'lar." - Ardra

From Memory Alpha-Omega-Epsilon, etc:

The writing staff were careful to refer to Fek'lhr as being the "guardian of Gre'thor" in order to be consistent with Kang's statement claiming that Klingons have no devil, in "Day of the Dove". (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion (2nd ed., p. 154)) In his review of the episode, Star Trek author Keith R.A. DeCandido observes that Fek'lhr is closer to Charon from Greek mythology than Lucifer from Christianity. [2]

At that time we could make a claim it was an old, discarded mythology, much like Greek or Roman. But they doubled down on it.

 

[Tallguy]

GR, 1979:

To Vulcans, the sense of oneness with the All, i.e., the universe, the creative force, or what some humans might call God. Vulcans do not, however, see this as a belief, either religious or philosophical. They treat it as a simple fact which they insist is no more unusual or difficult to understand than the ability to hear or see.

So, no religion, just concrete knowledge of the creative force of the universe.

Kind of like the Bajorans. It's not religion if the Wormhole Aliens are real.

And again, what's the objection to the violent, enslaving Imperial culture of the Klingons not being "logical" about higher powers?