What Nemesis should have been (spoilers)

[Malleus]

Upon having just watched this film, I must say that this new action film succeeded where Nemesis failed so badly, in more ways than one:

1) Badass bald dude of Romulan affiliation with an unsympathetic desire for revenge (brief mentions only).
2) Badass superweapon and huge ship.
3) Enemy ship gets rammed and damaged quite a bit by a good guy ship.
4) Climactic confrontation between hero and villain occurs on the villain's ship.
5) Enemy ship gets destroyed not by conventional firepower, but by something related to the badass superweapon.

I wonder how JJ Abrams must have felt like watching Nemesis, despite his public statements saying he never watched it. How did he learn anything at all from that film?

 

[miraclefan]

Upon having just watched this film, I must say that this new film succeeded where Nemesis failed so badly, in more ways than one:

1) Badass bald dude of Romulan affiliation with an unsympathetic desire for revenge (brief mentions only).
2) Badass superweapon and huge ship.
3) Climactic confrontation between hero and villain occurs on the villain's ship.
4) Enemy ship gets destroyed not by conventional firepower, but by something related to the badass superweapon.

I wonder how JJ Abrams must have felt like watching Nemesis. How did he learn anything at all from that film?

Ha, Ha,

 

[Myasishchev]

I mentioned this to my girlfriend on the way out: "You know, it's Nemesis, if Nemesis hadn't sucked."

It's got a lot more going for it than just the Nemesis-like plot, however, thank goodness.

As for Nero, I wasn't as totally unsold on his motivations as I was Shinzon's, which were completely batshit. Sure, Nero was crazy too, but Spock did promise that he'd save Romulus, and he completely broke that promise (although you think if Nero saw it coming, he'd have gotten his wife off the planet just in case).

I'd have been even more sympathetic if the Federation had much more directly been the cause of Romulus' destruction, either by a rogue starship, terrorists, or even actual warfare--heck, even Starfleet retaliating in kind against Romulus for the destruction of Earth, who gives a crap anyway, it's the future that we're never going to see again. Something that Spock could be blamed for not stopping. Unfortunately, Nero blamed him for not stopping a superluminal explosion of some type referred to as a "supernova" even though, on reflection, it clearly is not. This is like a guy from Java blaming the United States' ambassador to Indonesia for not stopping a tsunami. What did you want Spock to do, stop the gamma rays with a nerve pinch? Presumably, he did his best, and simply failed. Rather poor reason to get pissed off enough to hound the man through space and time, or to destroy a planet from an alternate universe.

If the Federation had been directly responsible, he could at least say he was saving this universe's Romulus from the inevitable result of his inaction.

 

[miraclefan]

Guess everbody has to have there ''white whale''

 

[NCC74894A]

I mentioned this to my girlfriend on the way out: "You know, it's Nemesis, if Nemesis hadn't sucked."

It's got a lot more going for it than just the Nemesis-like plot, however, thank goodness.

As for Nero, I wasn't as totally unsold on his motivations as I was Shinzon's, which were completely batshit. Sure, Nero was crazy too, but Spock did promise that he'd save Romulus, and he completely broke that promise (although you think if Nero saw it coming, he'd have gotten his wife off the planet just in case).

I'd have been even more sympathetic if the Federation had much more directly been the cause of Romulus' destruction, either by a rogue starship, terrorists, or even actual warfare--heck, even Starfleet retaliating in kind against Romulus for the destruction of Earth, who gives a crap anyway, it's the future that we're never going to see again. Something that Spock could be blamed for not stopping. Unfortunately, Nero blamed him for not stopping a superluminal explosion of some type referred to as a "supernova" even though, on reflection, it clearly is not. This is like a guy from Java blaming the United States' ambassador to Indonesia for not stopping a tsunami. What did you want Spock to do, stop the gamma rays with a nerve pinch? Presumably, he did his best, and simply failed. Rather poor reason to get pissed off enough to hound the man through space and time, or to destroy a planet from an alternate universe.

If the Federation had been directly responsible, he could at least say he was saving this universe's Romulus from the inevitable result of his inaction.

The Countdown comics/graphic novel do a much better job of explaining Nero's reasons for blaming Spock than the movie by itself. That is one of the movie's few shortcomings.

Spoiler: Countdown

After the Romulan Senate rejects their plea to take action against the Hobus supernova, Spock and Nero take their case to the Vulcan High Council, but they also decline to help because they don't trust the Romulans enough to share Vulcan red-matter research and technology. Nero then basically tells the Vulcans to go to hell - Spock included, whom Nero thinks too sympathetic to the High Council's POV - and leaves for Romulus in a huff, just in time to watch the planet get blown to bits by the supernova.

 

[Myasishchev]

Ah, someone told me about Countdown, but didn't mention that bit. I'd be pissed at Vulcan too if they did that.

 

[Malleus]

Guess everbody has to have there ''white whale''

I think we all know who the next villain will be.