What just "works" for you?
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Kelly, at first, took exception at McCoy's father's euthanasia and thought it put the character in a bad light; even going as far as refusing to perform the scene. The scripted line for David McCoy was originally, "Kill me." This was changed, at Kelly's request, to "Help me."
Some of this is recalled, IIRC, in Elizabeth Shatner's Captain's Log: The Making of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier book. Kelly in his solo interview chapter states that his initial reaction to the scene was a mistake.
Perhaps, I was being a bit harsh but actors tend to be very protective of the characters they play on a long-term basis; even beginning to equate the character with themselves. If the character does something harsh, it not only reflects on the character but on the actor. Not always true, but can be even in a short-term role. Hence, why I put that his "actor's ego" almost got in the way of a brilliant scene.
Lil Chaka said:
HUH???
All of this is fro memory as I haven't got the book to hand, but I think that it's "The Nitpickers Guide for Classic Trekkers".
When reviewing ST:TMP, he draws attention to the fact that the camera angles in the scene where the Vulcan shuttle approaches the Ent are very similar to the scenes of the Star Destroyer capturing the rebel cruiser at the start of Star Wars VI.
He made the comment that when watching the shuttle slowly swoop over the camera, that he always hums the Imperial March. Funnily enough, since reading that comment I can't help humming it either.
Despite the fact it seems to have ruined my opinion of the scene, I actually really enjoyed the Nitpicker's Guides; in particular the comments on the lax sensor sweeps by the Reliants Crew when entering the Ceti Alpha system in TWOK:-
(All the following is IIRC) "Okay so Ceti Alpha VI blew up and hurled Ceti Alpha V into a wider orbit, fine. But what are the chances of the orbit looking exactly like the orbit of Ceti Alpha VI? Did nobody think to scan the system on arrival and not count the REALLY big blips? It's a planet for crying out loud! How did nobody notice that one was missing? These guys are meant to be looking for planets after all!"
I really must dig out my copy again.
Redshirts_Widow said:
Lil Chaka said:
HUH???
All of this is fro memory as I haven't got the book to hand, but I think that it's "The Nitpickers Guide for Classic Trekkers".
When reviewing ST:TMP, he draws attention to the fact that the camera angles in the scene where the Vulcan shuttle approaches the Ent are very similar to the scenes of the Star Destroyer capturing the rebel cruiser at the start of Star Wars VI.
He made the comment that when watching the shuttle slowly swoop over the camera, that he always hums the Imperial March. Funnily enough, since reading that comment I can't help humming it either.
Wow. In my humble opinion, that's quite a reach. When I look at that scene -- with the combination of the music, the editing, the shuttle disembarkation from the warp sled, the view through the officers' lounge windows, the graceful nature of the "thruster flip" that the shuttle does before docking -- it just screams to me two things: poetic beauty and inspiration from 2001. I find it to be one of the most satisying, believable and realistic "spacecraft/hardware" moments from the entirety of produced Star Trek.
I see only a superficial resemblance to the aforementioned scene from Star Wars.
This is where I would have to agree with Mr. Farrand. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was the beginning of the dumbing-down of Trek to make it more palatable to the masses. It also had portentous moments that foreshadowed what some fans call the "needless death creep" of the property: Killing a life form without first studying it (as Kirk does), which would lead in the next film to the repulsive and offensive act of kicking one's enemy to his death from atop a cliff.
That's not really fair. The life form Kirk killed sight-unseen had just crawled out of someone's brain and had apparently made someone else go insane, gun down a man, and then kill himself. Like the dikironium cloud creature, the horta, the salt vampire, and many other creatures from TOS, the ceti eel showed itself to be a bit too dangerous to carry around in a specimen jar.
And, perhaps more importantly, Kirk only kicked Kruge off the cliff after Kruge responded to Kirk trying to save his life by dragging him down with him. I don't really see an alternative to kicking the other guy away if he's trying to drag you off the cliff with him. I suppose Kirk could've forcibly dragged Kruge back to sure footing and then proceeded to kill him like a man in a fair fight, but that would've been a bit much.
In fact, that's the first time I've ever seen someone complain about Kirk killing Kruge. I've seen occasional complaints that Kirk shouldn't have offered to help Kruge up off the cliff, considering that Kruge had been clearly fighting to the death, killed the crew of the Grissom and, yes, murdered Kirk's own son, which is an understandable position.
And, perhaps more importantly, Kirk only kicked Kruge off the cliff after Kruge responded to Kirk trying to save his life by dragging him down with him. I don't really see an alternative to kicking the other guy away if he's trying to drag you off the cliff with him. I suppose Kirk could've forcibly dragged Kruge back to sure footing and then proceeded to kill him like a man in a fair fight, but that would've been a bit much.
In fact, that's the first time I've ever seen someone complain about Kirk killing Kruge. I've seen occasional complaints that Kirk shouldn't have offered to help Kruge up off the cliff, considering that Kruge had been clearly fighting to the death, killed the crew of the Grissom and, yes, murdered Kirk's own son, which is an understandable position.
These. Holy Jesus, the campfire scene in TFF is probably the best scene ever shown in a Trek movie. Harve Bennett's cameo was a bit awkward, but Shat sold "Oh, please" like there was no tomorrow ... and it was perfect! It was the movie's little nod to the conceit that only the crazy, stupid shit happened to Kirk.
EDIT: Geordi's sunrise in INS.
I love that campfire scene, too. A suggestion to all Trek fans... never try to reenact the scene with relatives who don't get it...
Edit: in TVH... "Are you sure you won't change your mind?" "Is there something wrong with the one I have?"
Edit: in TVH... "Are you sure you won't change your mind?" "Is there something wrong with the one I have?"
On the other hand, trying to reenact the campfire scene from Blazing Saddles = much hilarity.
Depends on who you're with...
Nothing really stands out in my mind, but I'd like to take this opportunity to mention one of my most favourite scenes in movie history. 
In Back to the Future III (terrible movie, BTW) there's a scene where Marty and the Doc are getting their picture taken with the clock that eventually will become part of clock tower. When I first saw this, the whole trilogy just sort of came together, and erased--okay, temporarily erased--all of the negative thoughts that took root in my brain after watcing BTTF Part II (which came out in 1989, the same year as Star Trek V - please note on topic reference).
The scene is just amazing. Thinking about it, it doesn't seem that great; but when you watch it, it is wondeful and uplifting and should be honoured or something.
In Back to the Future III (terrible movie, BTW) there's a scene where Marty and the Doc are getting their picture taken with the clock that eventually will become part of clock tower. When I first saw this, the whole trilogy just sort of came together, and erased--okay, temporarily erased--all of the negative thoughts that took root in my brain after watcing BTTF Part II (which came out in 1989, the same year as Star Trek V - please note on topic reference).
The scene is just amazing. Thinking about it, it doesn't seem that great; but when you watch it, it is wondeful and uplifting and should be honoured or something.
The very MOMENT in TWOK when the Enterprise rises from below/behind the Reliant in the nebula gives me chills every time.
That is a cool scene.
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