"What it requires of it's God, Doctor..."
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I guess it's easier for me to say what's not fun, and for me, what's not fun is people - and it happens with allllllllllll sides of this issue, trust me here - not only insulting the beliefs of others, but doing so with smug self-satisfaction and even enjoyment.
It's particularly galling for me because I have seen people do this very thing, and they say, and maybe some even believe, that they aren't being insulting at all. "I didn't say you were an idiot - I was speaking generally," will be the sentiment expressed, or at least that is a sentiment that has been expressed regularly in previous threads of this kind.
But so far, not too bad - a couple of slips here and there, but thus far I haven't rolled my eyes even once.
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Interesting thread. I'm a Christian, too. I grew up in a more fundamentalist kind of church, but have learned - through painful experiences - to reject it. I guess some would call me more liberal, then, although I believe that Jesus rejects fundamentalism, too.
^He does if the Fundies add to the Scriptures. Read his constant clashing with the Pharisees....
I'm a Christian, Evangelical-Free. I'm very conservative (In case you coudn't tell already), politically and theologically, but I'm certainly no "KJV ONLY!" or "NO DANCING OR CONTEMPORARY MUSIC" legalist type....
Why do I believe in God? It's as simple as this:
Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
The Universe began to exist.
Therefore...the Universe has a cause.
It's common sense, IMHO. If there's a design...there's a designer. If there's a moral law...there's a lawgiver. If there's a miracle...there's a God.
I'm a Christian, Evangelical-Free. I'm very conservative (In case you coudn't tell already
), politically and theologically, but I'm certainly no "KJV ONLY!" or "NO DANCING OR CONTEMPORARY MUSIC" legalist type....Why do I believe in God? It's as simple as this:
Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
The Universe began to exist.
Therefore...the Universe has a cause.
It's common sense, IMHO. If there's a design...there's a designer. If there's a moral law...there's a lawgiver. If there's a miracle...there's a God.
COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT (I)^He does if the Fundies add to the Scriptures. Read his constant clashing with the Pharisees....
I'm a Christian, Evangelical-Free. I'm very conservative (In case you coudn't tell already
Why do I believe in God? It's as simple as this:
Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
The Universe began to exist.
Therefore...the Universe has a cause.
It's common sense, IMHO. If there's a design...there's a designer. If there's a moral law...there's a lawgiver. If there's a miracle...there's a God.
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.
^ C'mon.
My first point is common sense. Would you expect anything--an airplane, for example, to just "happen" to spring up literally out of nowhere? That's magic, not science. No...the airplane had to have been caused by something--creators.
My second point is the conclusion of modern science. The Big Bang Theory asserts that the Universe began through an great expansion, caused by matter and antimatter annihilation. But common sense demands that something like an explosion had to have been caused by something. Otherwise, why did the explosion happen then, and not earlier or later. In fact, why did it happen at all?
And...what was there before the Bang--which did not expand until that particular moment?
C'mon.My first point is common sense. Would you expect anything--an airplane, for example, to just "happen" to spring up literally out of nowhere? That's magic, not science. No...the airplane had to have been caused by something--creators.
My second point is the conclusion of modern science. The Big Bang Theory asserts that the Universe began through an great expansion, caused by matter and antimatter annihilation. But common sense demands that something like an explosion had to have been caused by something. Otherwise, why did the explosion happen then, and not earlier or later. In fact, why did it happen at all?
And...what was there before the Bang--which did not expand until that particular moment?
Hee hee
ARGUMENT FROM INFINITE REGRESS, a.k.a. FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT (II)
(1) Ask atheists what caused the Big Bang.
(2) Regardless of their answer, ask how they know this.
(3) Continue process until the atheist admits he doesn't know the answer to one of your questions.
(4) You win!
(5) Therefore, God exists.
Do you think you're "not Christian" because you believe God used the processes we document as evolution and the Big Bang to create the universe? Who told you that?
Shazam...if you won't respond rationally, and instead continue to engage in emotional attacks, why should I even bother?
Honestly...you know as well as I do that your "exaggerations" are NOTHING like what I was saying....
Honestly...you know as well as I do that your "exaggerations" are NOTHING like what I was saying....
Do you think you're "not Christian" because you believe God used the processes we document as evolution and the Big Bang to create the universe? Who told you that?
To be fair, there are people who will tell him that, Nerys. Not me and not you, but they are out there. But in case you were wondering, Crewman, lots of us see no conflict between believing in God and also accepting evolution as a scientific fact.
Oh, I've had people try to tell me that, myself. The intolerance with which they did it darned near ran me out of the church when I was younger. But then I realized that attitude was their problem, not mine...and certainly not a reason for me to abandon my beliefs.
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Yes, thanks. Really, I learned something. Its true.
And I'm Buddhist. What a spread here!
Yes, thanks. Really, I learned something. Its true.I have no problem with that. But it might be easier for me to say that; my belief states that my beliefs might be wrong.
You can respect people, even if you find their beliefs irrational. Just the same as respecting customs of other nationalities (or planets, in as in the Trek universe) when traveling or posting online.
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Chrisisall...the funny thing about believing in an absolute truth and the fallibility of humanity, as I do, means the knowledge that you may not be hitting it 100%. I do believe strongly in Christ. And I also know I don't have it all together yet, and never quite will in this life. This is why I think that Christians are called to believe passionately, yes, but to act with humility and acknowledge our mistakes quickly when we err.
Chrisisall...the funny thing about believing in an absolute truth and the fallibility of humanity, as I do, means the knowledge that you may not be hitting it 100%. I do believe strongly in Christ. And I also know I don't have it all together yet, and never quite will in this life. This is why I think that Christians are called to believe passionately, yes, but to act with humility and acknowledge our mistakes quickly when we err.
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