The saucer crashed on Veridian III, which is the same planet Soran and Picard were on. They were in orbit of it during the battle, and that was obviously the closest planet when the saucer lost control after the deive section blew.In Star Trek: Generations:
So Veridian III is the planet where Soren wants to enter the Nexus from, and Veridian IV is the inhabited world. Both will be destroyed by the shockwaver from the Veridian star. Which planet does the Entprise crash on.
When PIcard and Kirk return to Veridian III at a time shortly before Soren launches the probe we see the crash again:.
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So there is nothing in the transcript of the movie to say whether the Saucer section crashed on Veridian III or Veridian IV.
The synopsis in Wikiedia says:
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I remember watching a scene not mentioned on the transcept where some people on standing on top of the crashed saucer section on planet Veridian III or Veridian IV. Something moves in the sky towrds them and engulfs the crased saucer section.
Obviously that must be after the saucer section crashes on the planet (whichever one it is) the first time but before the Nexus Ribbon reaches the surface of Veridian III. Picard and Kirk return to Veridian III before the time that Soren launches the solar probe, and stop him that time and so that time the Nexus Ribbon doesn't reach Veridian III and the Veridian star doesn't explode and destroy both Veridian III and Veridian IV.
Maybe this is the Nexus Ribbon reaching Veridian III at the same time that Soren and Picard enter the Nexus. And so the crash site so be fairly close on the surface of Veridian III to the site where Soren launched his probe. Probably just a few hundred ora few thousand kilomters or miles away. What is important is that .if we see the Nexus Ribbon engulf the crash site of the saucer, a thousand other people should also enter the nexus.
So that means that it would be possible for Picard to round up a few hundred crewmen with phasers and taken them back in time and use that army to stop Soren, instead of using just one man, Kirk.
Or maybe the thing engulfing the saucer crash site is the blast from the destruction of the Veridian star. In that case it would have to be on Veridian IV and the blast could have to reach Veridian IV after the Nexus Ribbon reaches Veridian III and Picard and Soren are taken into the nexus. If the scene was on Veridian III and the bast reached Veridian III before the Nexus Ribbon did, PIcard and Soren would be killed and Picard would not be able to use the nexus to change history.
So if the scene I remember was in the movie and was shown after the Nexus Ribbon reached Veridian III and before Picard and Kirk appeared and tried to stop Soren the second time then it would probably be on Veridian IV when the explosion of Veridian star reach Veridian III some time after the explosion reach Veridian III which in turn would be some time after the Nexus Ribbon reached Veridian III.
But what if the scene showed a wave of destruction from the star reach the crashed saucer section before the Nexus Ribbon reached Veridian III?
There would be a big prolem with that, It is the convention in written science that the planets of a star are numbered their order of increasing distance from the star. So in our solar system science fiction writers sometimes refer to Venus as Sol Two or Sol II, to Earth as Sol Three or Sol III, to Mars as Sol Four or Sol IV, etc. This convention was established decades before the first Star Trek series started in 1966 and thus 28 more years before Star Trek: Generations in 1994.
So if a wave of desctruction is seen reaching the crashed saucer section before the Nexus Ribbon reaches Veridian III, it would be almost impossible for the crashed saucer to be on Veridian III no more than a few thousands miles from where Picard and Soren were and for the Nexus Ribben to reach Picard and Soren in time to send them into the Nexus before their spot was struck by the wave of destruction.
Thus if the saucer section was shown being destroyed before the Nexus Ribbon reach Soren and Picard on Veridian III, the saucer section would almost certainly have to be on Veridian IV and not on Veridian III. But if a planet destroying blast is coming from the Veridian star it should reach Veridian III before Veridian IV, and not after. The movie would have made a lot more sense if the other habitable planet with a population over 200 million was named Veridian Two and not Veridian Four. It is almost like Brannon Braga, Ronald D. Moore, and Rick Berman thought that planets were number in order of decreasing distance from from the star instead of increasing distance from the star.
To be continued.
You replied to my comment before I finished it. If the saucer section crashed on the same planet as Soren's launch platform, the two sites would have been been just a few thousand kilometers or miles apart. It was daylight during the crash scene and also during the fight with Soren at his launch pad, so they both must have been on the starward side of whatever planets they were on.The saucer crashed on Veridian III, which is the same planet Soran and Picard were on. They were in orbit of it during the battle, and that was obviously the closest planet when the saucer lost control after the deive section blew.
Picard and Soran were picked up by the Nexus on another part of the planet where the saucer crashed... clearly on the side that the Nexus got to before the shockwave came.
Or the simpler, and more likely, explanation is that the saucer crashed on Veridian III since the battle took place in orbit of that world.You replied to my comment before I finished it. If the saucer section crashed on the same planet as Soren's launch platform, the two sites would have been been just a few thousand kilometers or miles apart. It was daylight during the crash scene and also during the fight with Soren at his launch pad, so they both must have been on the starward side of whatever planets they were on.
The shockwave or blast from the Viridian star would hit the substellar point on the surface of Veridian III first. So possibly the saucer section crashed near the substellar point of Veridian III and Soren's launch pad was near the terminator, the local time during the fight being soon after sunrise or soon before sunset. And the Nexus Ribbon could have come from a difrection close to 90 degrees from the direction to the Veridian star.
But since the blast from the Veridian star should have included a lot of electromagnetic radiation travelling at the speed of light, and since the Nexus Ribbon should have been travelling at multiples of the speed of light, there would have been an extremely short interval between the arrival of the shockwave from the Veridian star one spot on Veridian III and the arrriveal of the Nexus Ribbon.on another spot on Veridian III.
So Soren's plan was really cutting it fine.
It would be much more plausibe if the saucer section crashed on another planet instead of Veridian III.
Looking at you, Star Wars...I think it was the two distinct biomes that gave me that impression, but its not like that can't happen on one planet.
Looking at you, Star Wars...
Soren's plan was really cutting it fine.
Our records show that every ship which has approached the ribbon has either been destroyed or severely damaged.Hey Soren, here's a better plan. Instead of this elaborate scheme involving the Duras sisters and a stolen wmd that will destroy a star, how about you simply buy, rent, or steal a starship/shuttle and, oh I don't know, FLY INTO THE NEXUS! Much simpler and likely a better chance of success.
Our records show that every ship which has approached the ribbon has either been destroyed or severely damaged.
I guess you have to hit a sweet spot to really reach the nexus and this nirvana-thing.
Our records show that every ship which has approached the ribbon has either been destroyed or severely damaged.
They beamed Soren and Guinan from an exploding ship, not the Nexus itself, and they're 67% of the characters who we know went to the Nexus during the incident. It doesn't seem like good odds.Why? What evidence is there that the majority of the victims/casualties of Nexus encounters are not living in the Nexus the way Soren wanted to?
They describe themselves being ripped away from the Nexus so while they were on the transport ship they were able to start to phase into their dream reality. But none of this happens to anyone on the B, it's just a big space storm to them so it would seem flying into the ribbon might not actually work. Kirk was probably sucked into the ribbon when the hull was breached so that's how he ended up there but no one on the B was in a state of flux like the El-Aurians.And? So? Would that matter to Soren?
Like I said, the movie presents several people who entered the Nexus. Yes, the Enterprise-B was damaged, but Kirk made it into the Nexus. Guinian and Soren's ship may have likewise gotten damaged, but it was still enough for Guinian's echo to still be in the Nexus. Soren experienced enough bliss while in the Nexus that he resented being pulled from it and spent the rest of his life trying to get back inside.
Take a shuttle or ship and fly into the Nexus. Who cares if it's damaged or destroyed in the process. Not like Soren planned to leave.
Soran's plan seems overly complicated & convoluted just to achieve his end goal of entering the Nexus.They describe themselves being ripped away from the Nexus so while they were on the transport ship they were able to start to phase into their dream reality. But none of this happens to anyone on the B, it's just a big space storm to them so it would seem flying into the ribbon might not actually work. Kirk was probably sucked into the ribbon when the hull was breached so that's how he ended up there but no one on the B was in a state of flux like the El-Aurians.
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