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What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?

Why SNW Chapel might become TOS Chapel: Recovering from an injury/illness that curbs her ability to go on away missions (but still allows her to serve)

Why Spock might owe a lot to Pike: If La'an is lost somehow, Pike might support him, having lost Marie forever and therefore sympathizing (even though she's not dead, it'd feel like a death) - maybe Pike tries to save her but fails.

What if La'an was on the cadet ship Pike rescues kids on, too? He tried to save her but failed - maybe she told him, get the kids first - he goes back for her but she's dead. Nothing says there were no other non-cadets on the ship.

If you think about it, Spock pulls a Pike in TWOK - saving the people on the ship, at high risk and ultimate price to himself.

Hell no. That undercuts both Pike and La'an by making everything connected in yet another case of small universe syndrome. We don't need to know La'an's ultimate fate. It's perfectly fine to still have mysteries.

I'm hoping that Chapel stays more or less as she is. Chapel losing herself could be an interesting individual episode (aka Voyager Extreme risk where B'lana becomes suicidal) but this would a very depressing transition long-term where she becomes a shell of herself. I think they would lose a lot of viewers.

Let's have La'an staying perfectly alive with some promotion or career opportunity away from the Enterprise. She doesn't need to have some sort of ultimate fate. It was a mistake for Batel and straight out of Doctor Who. She can just live on with a new job and possibly pop into Year One if they get it. Please let's not have her die and Spock become his logical self because of La'an - she's a casual partner / rebound. It's a disservice to both of their characters. He's going to have to start transitioning before the end of the show and she's going to be fine until at least the end so I doubt that she's going to die or that this will have much of an impact on Spock.

Pike's accident would have the most obvious significant influencer on Spock but I don't think the dates would add up for that to work? I suspect Sybok or another clash with his parents.
 
When it's already established that someone winds up with a former love interest (Pike and Vina) but in between, has a relationship that looks like it's lasting for a while (Pike and Batel), there has to be some explanation why they broke up.

It doesn't have to be a "she's no longer available because she's dead/the only thing standng between an evil force and the universe" kind of reason. Just a sensible reason why this one and not that one (didn't work out, choose between a job opportunity and love, etc.). If Batel wasn't out of bounds, he could have gone with her back to Talos IV and (after working things out with Vina) stayed. (That assumes Batel was a factor during TOS's run, which she wasn't, not having been created by writers yet.)
 
When it's already established that someone winds up with a former love interest (Pike and Vina) but in between, has a relationship that looks like it's lasting for a while (Pike and Batel), there has to be some explanation why they broke up.

It doesn't have to be a "she's no longer available because she's dead/the only thing standing between an evil force and the universe" kind of reason. Just a sensible reason why this one and not that one (didn't work out, choose between a job opportunity and love, etc.). If Batel wasn't out of bounds, he could have gone with her back to Talos IV and (after working things out with Vina) stayed. (That assumes Batel was a factor during TOS's run, which she wasn't, not having been created by writers yet.)

I found this confusing in DISCO, when did it become established that Vina was an actual lover interest let alone a deeply serious love interest. She was a fellow prisoner and they had to make the best of things but I never took out of TOS that he genuinely wanted to be with her.

I agree that they had to explain Batel and their relationship obviously wasn't going to last. I just hate the huge fated to be something special storyline that feels like a RTD storyline from Doctor Who. Pike and Batel were both very busy, successful people that worked far away from each other on starships. It would be really hard to make it work. I think that 'we're never together, we're drifting apart' made a lot of sense. Far more then her becoming a statue. I didn't mind them in love but wasn't keen on her living with Pike the whole sense. Her autonomy felt clipped. I think that Season 2 had a better plot line which wrapped the relationship in a more believable way. I was onboard with her dying from a gorn infection as well.
 
When it's already established that someone winds up with a former love interest (Pike and Vina)
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If Batel wasn't out of bounds, he could have gone with her back to Talos IV and (after working things out with Vina) stayed. (That assumes Batel was a factor during TOS's run, which she wasn't, not having been created by writers yet.)

Why not both? The Talosians were certainly capable of creating that illusion. Would Roddenberry have written The Cage that way?
 
Whoa, there, partner!

Speak for yourself!

I think La'an's fantastic!
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Whoa, there, partner!

Speak for yourself!

I think La'an's fantastic!

I liked her childhood experiences with the Gorn and I think her time travel with Kirk was compelling and well acted. Christina is certainly talented. Overall, she's a bit too Worf mixed with Kira for me. She's aggressive in situations where it's not called for which reminds me of early Worf. She's been over used in Season 3. She's in everything and I find that the character doesn't let other characters breathe and take up the space. It's shame because despite being in everything I don't think that they've gotten any character development or growth from her this season. It was all in season 1 and 2.
 
Whoa, there, partner!

Speak for yourself!

I think La'an's fantastic!
I like to see laan more in formal clothes. she sparkles. she is way too tense sometimes in uniform and the cornrows.

I would say Laan was a good concept creation apart from the last name that was not necessary and may have worked better on discovery, since she can be tense. she can go toe to toe with Michael Burnharm, which sometimes is not an easy feet,since Michael is written very powerful but Michael does have a chosen one narrative, so often...it can be forgiven when she does her girl boss thing.

I can see all sides of her romance with spock in terms of reception, some hate it because they just do not want spock to have a stable romance, some hate it because of her last name, some like it because they want anyone but Chapel even though they know neither Chapel/Laan tie 100% well to spock story line in TOS at least not this far as SNW has given us.


Overall I am more easy on the character as she is not a legacy character. if I ignore the last name, I think she is one of the most entertaining of the characters. a space adventure hour was worth the gaze
 
Maybe season 4 and 5 should just ditch romance and build on the spock and kirk bromance and give Spock his real emotion core he had in TOS which was with Kirk.

May I remind all that spock most emotional and heart breaking scene was with kirk when he died in WOK.
Those looking for a Spock-Kirk bromance should just watch TOS, the TOS movies and the Kelvin movies.

SNW is Spock and Pike's time.
Archer falling for T'Pol was pretty one sided (as so in appropriate given she was his first officer). Trip and T'Pol were mutually and a bit more even. The writers said that if they got season 5 then they would have kept their baby alive and develop their relationship. So I think that T'Pol only had one real relationship and a crush from Archer that she tried to shutdown. If they'd developed three relationships and moved her on each time after a season then I think there would have been outcry. She was oversexualised at the time but Trip and T'pol were very popular as I recall and I think people would have switched off. It was also a shocking choice to not develop T'Pol much beyond romance. She deserved better stories as well.
Three different relationships with the crew is certainly different from several different relationship-of-the-week stories.

The show getting cancelled cut off a lot of stories that could have developed the whole cast. Particularly around the Romulan War and the machinations surrounding the origins of the Federation

If he's giving into his emotions then some pain / grief and some reflection is even more relevant. Others have said that he's still stuck on Chapel. I hope so as it will be a more meaningful story if we return to that relationship along with T'Pring rather than move forward with no further thought. My interpretation is he's still heavily affected by her in the Naked Now (obviously interpretations of this vary) so I think we need to get back there to some extent next season.
Well, that would be a start. Pain, grief and reflection is not something we see much from SNW Spock. They tried with "Wedding Bell Blues" but it did not go far enough.
I'm wondering if we're going to see Korby again. The season could easily start with them engaged and we find out he's gone missing. I was hoping that he would go missing at the end of 3 so that we can move that relationship along. They haven't gotten much out of it and we have so few episodes left with the main cast that I don't want to waste more focusing on Korby.
There are always logs Korby leaves behind. But that's far different from his being physically present.

I can't image a sadder outcome for Chapel than turning to the TOS Chapel. I actually don't think that they'll do this. I'm sure we'll see her grieving a bit but I think that this is the way Chapel was always meant to be rather than them actually turning her into Majel's interpretation. Some creative license is being taken and I'm fine with that. Chapel's a wonderful character and I don't want to see her being restricted to sickbay with almost no connections to the crew. I would prefer to not see her linger in sadness either as her vivacity is one of the best things about her. It will be a very sad character arc if we see go from funny, vibrant and clever to eternally sad and only able to hand McCoy a tray. I think they're a bit stuck with Christine as I don't know where they can take her after Korby goes missing except to be sad and think about Spock. The final episode of Season 1 implied a bit that this was what they were thinking.
There are places to go with Chapel once Korby goes missing.

Maybe her career begins to plateau while she seeks her MD? Or maybe she gets passed over for CMO for Piper and then McCoy despite M’Benga’s recommendation, and that’s what inspires her to seek her MD in the first place, while also contributing to her sadness? That would re-contextualize her sadness in TOS as also being depressed about her career stalling out, which would be relatable to a lot of viewers.

It's also obvious that Chapel, M’Benga and Uhura were not on the Enterprise during WNMHGB. Maybe they all take a sabbatical while they look for Korby together.

But they would probably have to build up the Chapel-Uhura friendship more, since Chapel-M’Benga has received development.
An interesting way of thinking about it. It's been a long time but hadn't T'Pol already broken off her engagement by that point and she believed this to be permanent? I can't fully remember when this happened but I think it was Breaking the Ice in Season 1 or 2. If so then I think she was fully free from her perspective when she slept with Trip. I think she did know that Trip was hurt watching her get married. She become distressed talking about it with him, she apologised for it and then she kissed his check to indicate her feelings. She didn't plan on marrying Koss when she went to Vulcan, she got trapped.
In "Breaking the Ice", It was more about cultural obligations. Marrying Koss would have meant leaving the ship for a Vulcan year.

Though in the preceding episode, P'Jem was destroyed and T'Pol was not recalled over it. Not for several episodes at least. Koss just took advantage of that event disturbing the Vulcan High Command.

In Spock's defence, this is not just a him problem this season. Christine has no reflection whatsoever despite some quite unfeeling behaviour. She just moves forward with Korby and invites Spock to drinks. Jess was able to convey some sadness and worry in her face but Ethan was a bit more constricted. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people have disliked Christine as a result of this. I just find it more frustrating with Spock because he doesn't outwardly feel much about what's going which undermines their nice first two seasons of build up.
Christine might have reflected on the relationship during the three month break, it just was not shown. Even though it should have been.

Korby was introduced too fast. We never saw Christine have a rebound, like Spock seems to have with La'an.
 
When it's already established that someone winds up with a former love interest (Pike and Vina) but in between, has a relationship that looks like it's lasting for a while (Pike and Batel), there has to be some explanation why they broke up.

It doesn't have to be a "she's no longer available because she's dead/the only thing standng between an evil force and the universe" kind of reason. Just a sensible reason why this one and not that one (didn't work out, choose between a job opportunity and love, etc.). If Batel wasn't out of bounds, he could have gone with her back to Talos IV and (after working things out with Vina) stayed. (That assumes Batel was a factor during TOS's run, which she wasn't, not having been created by writers yet.)
Yeah, in retrospect I hate how the Batel romance was treated by the writers.
I never believed her as Pike's "true love" or serious partner they tried making her.
She was a captain herself in the beginning. The whole thing was like Cpt Archer & Cpt Erika Hernandez on ENT. Or like Tom Cruise & Jennifer Connelly in the new Top Gun.
It definitely felt more like a "fling" thing, from older adults that live their own live, and find someone to temporarily connect/romance, where they otherwise don't have the chance for anymore. But not like the traditional romcom romance they tried to make out of it.

(I do however like that "what could have been under different circumstances" that we got in their last episode - it just should have been a bigger contrast to their "actual" relationship).
 
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