What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?

[fireproof78]

what I will see more as empty in what we expect from real star trek.

I have no expectations of Star Trek and it's all real Trek. Comedy, drama, and romance.

You have your preferences and I have mine. One is not more real than the other because it's all fiction.

Enjoy what you like instead of letting comparison poison the well.

 

[1001001]

Bingo and yet some are still doing mental gymnastics to justify the characterzation.

TOS Chapel may have been cardboard character but her good outweigh her bad compared to SNW Chapel.

I think SNW is in desperate need for more male input.Many of the story lines in season 3 is just revisionist bad modern day feminist that failed on every level. Chapel been the biggest coletral damage?

to the person that said JJ Trek is worse, please show me any part of jj trek that had a female character as awful as SNW chapel?

Uhura, Carol, Jaylah, Amanda.


This post Needs more depth in explanation like SNW does with its sci-fi, here let me help backed by fans feed back and overall critical reception. Do forgive some of my mistakes as I am dyslexic.

1. Alias and Lost were very critically acclaimed with mostly good ratings and many award wins. They even earned a place in pop culture. This is the truth even if you did not care about the show but we have to still count it in JJ Abrams work.

2. LOL, people keep up saying SNW is the best trek of this nu trek era but they always fail to explain why. I call this a bad narrative that is out there about JJ Abrams than the actual reality of what we have seen.

Yeah, it is my opinion that SNW pales next to kelvin trek but unlike you I can give credible reasons that can be proven by metrics, reception and research as well as the scenes we have watched in the films and tv show. Also grok A.I overview helps here as well even though I am not the biggest fan of A.I

Chris Pine is undoubtedly a better Kirk because he has the charisma, the screen presence and is a better actor than Paul, SNW would have fared better is Pine played Kirk on the show. Chris got praise of this all across the boards. Paul is not getting the same praise or acclaim.

3. I cannot even begin with Ethan Peck’s Spock, I think critics like TV guide and fans on reddit or comic forums tearing his character to shred for been a joke, a horny boy and a needy child is enough. All these things true though we see it on the show.

By star trek lore , I feel it will be the worst crime ever to justify how ethan peck spock behaves compared to Quinto Spock, who was indeed a worthy successor of Nimoy.Peck is not even a Vulcan on the show. he is more emotionally weak than the actual human men and seem to have more sex than the actual human men even though sex by vulcan tradition is a very sacred practice.

I will need someone to give reasons how SNW Spock is better than Kelvin Spock based on TOS Spock characterization. No one has yet to because no good point exists.

4. Kelvin Uhura is a realistic female character like her TOS counterpart. We know what her job is and she does it and she is never shown to be constantly better than others. she also treats spock's better and respect kirk as captain.

Let’s compare that to the overpowered SNW Females were nurses are doing the job of a doctor and the female number 1 can captain the ship better than the actual captain, which leads me to point 5.

5. Bruce Greenwood >>>>>>>Mount. Simply because the writers are failing mount, a criticism of mount is he is not even mostly present on the show, the excuses from the SNW perfect series fans, is that Mount just had a baby, so he was not around for filming does not count much.

Mount has yet to govern with real authority. Can you name any scene from mount in SNW that carried any lasting weight or is as memorable like when Kelvin Pike told Kirk that your father saved many people in few seconds and I dare you to do better?

6. Kelvin trek has a better, fairly executed and more mature romance that fits well in the star trek universe with the spock/uhura pairing. No one can trash this pair after the CW Soap opera we got from spock/laan/chapel/korby. Not to mention kelvin trek did not do toxic relationship in the false pretence of trying to empowering women.

The idea that people are still defending Chapel behaviour in Wedding bells blues or Subspace Rhapsody just tells me everything and as well nothing on what made those episodes good. or why it is even star trek? real star trek? I have seen this more on 90210. Romances in star trek is never toxic even when they suck like Troi and Worf

7. More importantly , kelvin trek all 3 film still maintain its genre in science fiction and action adventure. We cannot say that about SNW as it is clear some of the writers are not fans of sci-fi, they are more high fantasy fans who likes buffy and riverdale.

8. Ah yes and one of the real issues that has harmed this show like the last episode were Batel becomes a god and Pike just does assist.The men in SNW are constantly shown to be weaker than the women, in a way that is unrealistic.

how many times does Chapel need to humiliate Spock? How many times was tpring dictating what she wants in their relationship? Why does Dr Mengba do less medicine than Chapel and why does Pike always need to second guess himself and ask Una for advice every time and the few times Una takes the captain chair, she does it with no second guessing and even better than Pike.

9. Do go back and watch Klevin trek even the first film and see how the Kirk and Spock or Bones and Kirk plays out, heck even Sulu and Chekov piloting the ship. The movie is men heavy that gives the film more extra weight while been respectful to the female characters too and letting them also be heroines. it is balanced.

in SNW we constantly see about 4-6 female characters of the bridge and no men at all sometimes only Spock. how is this realistic? Star Trek was built on good and positive masculinity, this is why Picard and TOS Kirk and even DS9 Sisko are very revered as captains both in the trek universe and by fans. SNW Pike with the way he is written, he would not be getting near them.

10. Finally another criticism of SNW is the lack of on-screen chemistry with Peck and Paul. I think it was yahoo or ign review that said Wesley is plays short on the role that his scenes with Peck lack any memorability for what is yet to come. Peck has more chemistry with Pike.

Anyone trying to convince me or the average fan base that Paul is a better Kirk than chris pine, I would tell them they will fare better telling me Henry Cavill was a better Superman than Christopher reeves.What do both paul and henry have in common? Little charisma and stiff to bland acting skills.

 

[gabby1701]

Perhaps you mistake is overlooking that these are intentionally younger versions of the characters. SNW Spock grows into no romance Spock because of these terrible SNW experiences and it takes TMP to snap him out of it.

I had a conversation with someone who insisted SNW Chapel was a Mary Sue but refused to acknowledge that Spock was the original Mary Sue because that was justified by his back-story and this is despite me googling a bio-medical degree and pointing out that Chapel was being portrayed as having more expertise than M'Benga in areas associated to her degree and Post-graduate research. Some people have a lot of bias.

Chapel and Spock have already moved on. Maybe you should too!

Young? compared to Riker and Troi that dated before the start of TNG? what stopped the writers of snw writing spock/chapel like riker and troi even in a different context since we know what they are in TOS.

I think this is were I am drawing the line and not easily forgiving the hypocrisy as a trek fan that saw how unfairly kelvin trek, enterprise, voyager was treated for SNW to be put as the greatest trek since TNG when the analysis was showing it was always weaker even before season 3.

Speaking of Voyager, how does SNW Spock stack up to Tuvok from Voyager? I will like to say Tuvok will not buy SNW Spock as a real vulcan. Tuvok also had a wife who respected him and vice versa and they showed them doing their mating stuff that felt very star trek. again why cant snw write this? and SNW is supposed to be better than Voyager?

I am a person that likes strong good masculine characters but even Janeway who is female has been a more authoritative captain than SNW Pike with more good bad ass earned moment.And SNW is meant to be better really than Voyager too? again the scenes are not showing this

it is bizarre to me the extent people are going to defend SNW in every way when they know they will feel differently with other trek shows or even kelvin trek that did not go this far with retcon and that is an alternate reality.

I am constantly giving good examples how kelvintrek handed things better and all i get in response just feels like an attempt to keep baiting superficially because there is no real answer of substance since SNW lacks a lot of substance itself.

The characters have moved on but this forum is to discuss them and my main issues is how crappy many of the story lines were in SNW not to mention all the retcons and why some fans continue to make excuses that they never did with other trek show that did not even become the love boat sink?

Say what you want about JJ Abrams but he did not recton and destroy the prime timeline like SNW. Noting Abrams did was as far fetched as Spock dating Khan's relative.

I think I just want less excuses. Nah, no amount of awful experience can justify them making spock a horn dog. Take this up with tv guide

https://www.tvguide.com/news/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-spock-girlfriend/
The Paramount+ drama is shortchanging one of its most iconic characters — and falling short of the franchise's progressive legacy

I mean come on, if tv guide is writing this kind of stuff, I think its time we just admit the writers are writing some of the worst trek ever in snw compared to past trek.

 

[fireproof78]

Say what you want about JJ Abrams but he did not recton and destroy the prime timeline like SNW. Noting Abrams did was as far fetched as Spock dating Khan's relative.

Nor is it destroyed here.

Spock is learning growing and making mistakes as we all do. Spock's romance might be annoying, but looking back on my romances in my 20s I am equally annoyed by it.

Spock's growth rings very authentic for a character arc to me.

For the record, so did Kelvin. This comparison game is useless.

 

[Leo Walsh]

Young? compared to Riker and Troi that dated before the start of TNG? what stopped the writers of snw writing spock/chapel like riker and troi even in a different context since we know what they are in TOS.

I think this is were I am drawing the line and not easily forgiving the hypocrisy as a trek fan that saw how unfairly kelvin trek, enterprise, voyager was treated for SNW to be put as the greatest trek since TNG when the analysis was showing it was always weaker even before season 3.

Speaking of Voyager, how does SNW Spock stack up to Tuvok from Voyager? I will like to say Tuvok will not buy SNW Spock as a real vulcan. Tuvok also had a wife who respected him and vice versa and they showed them doing their mating stuff that felt very star trek. again why cant snw write this? and SNW is supposed to be better than Voyager?

I am a person that likes strong good masculine characters but even Janeway who is female has been a more authoritative captain than SNW Pike with more good bad ass earned moment.And SNW is meant to be better really than Voyager too? again the scenes are not showing this

it is bizarre to me the extent people are going to defend SNW in every way when they know they will feel differently with other trek shows or even kelvin trek that did not go this far with retcon and that is an alternate reality.

I am constantly giving good examples how kelvintrek handed things better and all i get in response just feels like an attempt to keep baiting superficially because there is no real answer of substance since SNW lacks a lot of substance itself.

The characters have moved on but this forum is to discuss them and my main issues is how crappy many of the story lines were in SNW not to mention all the retcons and why some fans continue to make excuses that they never did with other trek show that did not even become the love boat sink?

Say what you want about JJ Abrams but he did not recton and destroy the prime timeline like SNW. Noting Abrams did was as far fetched as Spock dating Khan's relative.

I think I just want less excuses. Nah, no amount of awful experience can justify them making spock a horn dog. Take this up with tv guide

https://www.tvguide.com/news/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-spock-girlfriend/
The Paramount+ drama is shortchanging one of its most iconic characters — and falling short of the franchise's progressive legacy

I mean come on, if tv guide is writing this kind of stuff, I think its time we just admit the writers are writing some of the worst trek ever in snw compared to past trek.

This is long and pointless.

You're making the same unsupported, silly claims over and over.

Obsessing over what you don't like about the relationships on SNW does not support any of your broad assertions about its quality as science fiction or claims that it's "not Star Trek."

And claiming that you've got some headcount of "most fans" or citing lazy fan sites and news aggregators for support is foolishness. It means nothing.

You don't personally like the show. So what?

 

[The Gatekeeper]

Say what you want about JJ Abrams but he did not recton and destroy the prime timeline

Abrams wanted to destroy the Prime Universe. Paramount overruled him, so he settled for destroying Romulus instead.

 

[fireproof78]

Abrams wanted to destroy the Prime Universe. Paramount overruled him, so he settled for destroying Romulus instead.

It deserved it

 

[Pauln6]

Lol empty action figures. sure now for the facts.
kirk dealt with the loss of growing up without a father, a theme that was seen through the movie.

spock lost his mum and planet and had to deal with that while also struggling with his human and vulcan side. also for better or worse he had less toxic people in his life who made him a better person like his father.

By the end of the first movie both guys had changed and developed more to their TOS Counterparts . Even Uhura showed more realistic depth and less shallowness than the female lead in SNW and she knew how to stay with one guy.

The crux of the movie was that Kirk didn't really deal with his loss and was actually rather toxic in the first two movies. In fact, both men masked their trauma and acted out. It was interesting to see the juxtaposition but Kirk acted like a teenager who just got his driving licence (because he basically was). I might have been able to forgive it had been acknowledged as a flaw and he overcame it but it was hailed as a virtue and he was promoted for it. It was very silly.

It's also interesting that Uhura scores points for being faithful but Kirk doesn't lose points for not staying with one woman and treating women poorly? What's that all about? ;-p

I will concede that the trilogy DOES take Kirk on an arc to become a good captain. I just feel that his journey to becoming a good captain should not have started with him being a bad captain.

Young? compared to Riker and Troi that dated before the start of TNG? what stopped the writers of snw writing spock/chapel like riker and troi even in a different context since we know what they are in TOS.

I think this is were I am drawing the line and not easily forgiving the hypocrisy as a trek fan that saw how unfairly kelvin trek, enterprise, voyager was treated for SNW to be put as the greatest trek since TNG when the analysis was showing it was always weaker even before season 3.

Speaking of Voyager, how does SNW Spock stack up to Tuvok from Voyager? I will like to say Tuvok will not buy SNW Spock as a real vulcan. Tuvok also had a wife who respected him and vice versa and they showed them doing their mating stuff that felt very star trek. again why cant snw write this? and SNW is supposed to be better than Voyager?

I am a person that likes strong good masculine characters but even Janeway who is female has been a more authoritative captain than SNW Pike with more good bad ass earned moment.And SNW is meant to be better really than Voyager too? again the scenes are not showing this

it is bizarre to me the extent people are going to defend SNW in every way when they know they will feel differently with other trek shows or even kelvin trek that did not go this far with retcon and that is an alternate reality.

I am constantly giving good examples how kelvintrek handed things better and all i get in response just feels like an attempt to keep baiting superficially because there is no real answer of substance since SNW lacks a lot of substance itself.

The characters have moved on but this forum is to discuss them and my main issues is how crappy many of the story lines were in SNW not to mention all the retcons and why some fans continue to make excuses that they never did with other trek show that did not even become the love boat sink?

Say what you want about JJ Abrams but he did not recton and destroy the prime timeline like SNW. Noting Abrams did was as far fetched as Spock dating Khan's relative.

I think I just want less excuses. Nah, no amount of awful experience can justify them making spock a horn dog. Take this up with tv guide

https://www.tvguide.com/news/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-spock-girlfriend/
The Paramount+ drama is shortchanging one of its most iconic characters — and falling short of the franchise's progressive legacy

I mean come on, if tv guide is writing this kind of stuff, I think its time we just admit the writers are writing some of the worst trek ever in snw compared to past trek.

Well now, I enjoy SNW but it not without its flaws.

I agree that Pike has become too folksy. I feel Una has been sidelined. I like Chapel but she's not an officer and she's not a doctor. Give us more M'Benga!

La'an should never have been a direct descendant of Khan unless they always intended to spin her off as a temporal agent alongside Gary 7, wiping the memories of those who knew her, or some such. She doesn't end up with Spock and nobody really recalls who Khan was in TOS. She's definitely getting wiped... Her story could have been identical if she had been descended from a different augment, however.

Riker was 30 in TNG episode 1, so about he was a few years older than Kirk and Spock in SNW.

I think this sums up your issue: " I am a person that likes strong good masculine characters".

I agree that SNW doesn't really have one at the moment but I'm hoping that the new exploratory mission means that he will get his mojo back in season 4 and that Scotty will grow in confidence.

Plus La'an has bigger kahunas than any of the men and I really hope that isn't going to change.

 

[gabby1701]

I had a conversation with someone who insisted SNW Chapel was a Mary Sue but refused to acknowledge that Spock was the original Mary Sue because that was justified by his back-story and this is despite me googling a bio-medical degree and pointing out that Chapel was being portrayed as having more expertise than M'Benga in areas associated to her degree and Post-graduate research. Some people have a lot of bias.

Chapel and Spock have already moved on. Maybe you should too!

sorry I missed this read and your friend is correct. I was saying this the last few days that chapel does more medical work than mbenga and it makes no sense because she is a nurse and oh boy the mental gymnastics that people used to explain how a nurse can do more than a doctor was awful to the point of hilarious.

Also in the serious real world. this is not how you truly empower women. making women like a nurse more competent than a doctor is unrealistic. it is not empowerment, it is setting them up to fail in real life.

Sigh I even gave my own personal experience as a cancer survivor to explain how doctors and nurse do different jobs and yet all that was ignored just to defend the ''masterpiece'' that is SNW. In the immortal words of Michael Jordan.... I took this personally.

Your friend is right about chapel but instead of me calling her a mary sue, I have constantly used the term overpowered and she is. this makes the character poorly written.

let's take kelvin zoe saldana uhura, I am sure she can speak vulcan but would I expect her to know the language so well that she will start teaching spock and sarek how to speak vulcan? no, absolutely not and I am glad kelvin trek did not do that kind of crap with over powering Uhura.

when someone said klevin trek is empty, no I will say kelvin trek wrote the characters realistically and that makes them better.

Lastly I would not say Spock was the original mary sue. TOS Spock was just unattainable so that made him very appealing to both men and women but Spock spent his life battling is human and vulcan side. he was far from perfect as mary sue should be.

And while I will admit that kelvin trek did erase some of spock unattainability by making uhura his girl friend and giving him real pain by loosing his mum and planet, which justified some of the emotional scenes.

SNW has abused it the point that we cannot even say spock acts like a real vulcan anymore and SNW has not suffered as much as Kelvin Spock. so honestly I do want to know the psyche why some defend this because by objective standard we can see the most trek removed from canon. and it is SNW

 

[HauntRod]

the only reason snw spock sleep with half the women on board is because the writers think Peck is hot and hot guys on tv needs to have sex constantly regardless of if it make sense in the context of the character. they failed with spock in doing this. this is not star trek. it is more rom com.

Again, this seems like less a Star Trek problem and more a you problem.

I mean come on, if tv guide is writing this kind of stuff, I think its time we just admit the writers are writing some of the worst trek ever in snw compared to past trek.

Oh no! Not TV guide!

 

[Leo Walsh]

I'm sorry, have the opinions of online TV Guide writers suddenly become important? Or even smart?

 

[fireproof78]

Sigh I even gave my own personal experience as a cancer survivor to explain how doctors and nurse do different jobs

used to explain how a nurse can do more than a doctor was awful to the point of hilarious.

These are two different arguments. Is the argument nurses do "more" or do "different" tasks?

Nurses definitely do more. They are the Frontline dealing with things, especially in a military setting. They are responsible for a lot of hands on in emergencies, including IVs, vitals, and executing the doctors orders.

They also do different jobs. I expect a nurse to be far more busy with hands on work.

Lastly I would not say Spock was the original mary sue. TOS Spock was just unattainable so that made him very appealing to both men and women but Spock spent his life battling is human and vulcan side. he was far from perfect as mary sue should be.

He was often right even if it had never been done before.

SNW has abused it the point that we cannot even say spock acts like a real vulcan anymore and SNW has not suffered as much as Kelvin Spock. so honestly I do want to know the psyche why some defend this because by objective standard we can see the most trek removed from canon. and it is SNW

Please point to this objective standard so that real Trek fans can measure it appropriately.

 

[gabby1701]

Abrams wanted to destroy the Prime Universe. Paramount overruled him, so he settled for destroying Romulus instead.

um this is not true because it is factually impossible. you cannot destroy prime anymore than you can destroy all the james bonds. maybe ignore but not destroy.

so why is paramount not over ruling some of the awful decision SNW is making.

oh wait...Laan has both likely had sex with both kirk and spock and she is khan relative, a person both kirk and spock likely hate, yet they both failed to mention her in TOS?

JJ Abrams only wanted uhura doing spock and not kirk, in fact abrams went as far as to show how kirk and spock were different guys and how it made intellectual sense that a girl like uhura was a better match for spock than kirk. again another smart way to squeeze in romance or even a realistic love triangle in a 2.5 hours film. so how is SNW better again?

 

[Leo Walsh]

um this is not true because it is factually impossible. you cannot destroy prime anymore than you can destroy all the james bonds. maybe ignore but not destroy.

More nonsense.

You can destroy it all the same way you destroy Romulus - by saying it's destroyed and supplying some bullshit explanation that's terrible science fiction. Like JJ Abrams did.

. so how is SNW better again?

Better writing.
Better actors.
Better production design that's more true to Trek tradition.

More frequent use of science and science fiction ideas.

Okay, they use them badly sometimes. Trek always does.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

um this is not true because it is factually impossible. you cannot destroy prime anymore than you can destroy all the james bonds. maybe ignore but not destroy.

In early drafts of Trek XI the supernova destroyed the entire galaxy in the Prime Universe with Spock, Nero and crew being the only survivors. Paramount overruled this as this would mean the Prime Universe could never be revisited onscreen or in tie-ins. So Abrams compromised and it was only Romulus destroyed by a supernova which "threatened the whole galaxy."

so why is paramount not over ruling some of the awful decision SNW is making.

They don't share your opinion of what's awful. In fact, no one seems to.

 

[Crewman Commander]

TOS had the whole universe in jeopardy in "The Alternative Factor."

It's been canonical that it's theoretically possible to destroy the entire Star Trek universe since fucking 1967. Not to mention, a whole other universe right along with it.

 

[Pauln6]

sorry I missed this read and your friend is correct. I was saying this the last few days that chapel does more medical work than mbenga and it makes no sense because she is a nurse and oh boy the mental gymnastics that people used to explain how a nurse can do more than a doctor was awful to the point of hilarious.

Also in the serious real world. this is not how you truly empower women. making women like a nurse more competent than a doctor is unrealistic. it is not empowerment, it is setting them up to fail in real life.

Sigh I even gave my own personal experience as a cancer survivor to explain how doctors and nurse do different jobs and yet all that was ignored just to defend the ''masterpiece'' that is SNW. In the immortal words of Michael Jordan.... I took this personally.

Your friend is right about chapel but instead of me calling her a mary sue, I have constantly used the term overpowered and she is. this makes the character poorly written.

let's take kelvin zoe saldana uhura, I am sure she can speak vulcan but would I expect her to know the language so well that she will start teaching spock and sarek how to speak vulcan? no, absolutely not and I am glad kelvin trek did not do that kind of crap with over powering Uhura.

when someone said klevin trek is empty, no I will say kelvin trek wrote the characters realistically and that makes them better.

Lastly I would not say Spock was the original mary sue. TOS Spock was just unattainable so that made him very appealing to both men and women but Spock spent his life battling is human and vulcan side. he was far from perfect as mary sue should be.

And while I will admit that kelvin trek did erase some of spock unattainability by making uhura his girl friend and giving him real pain by loosing his mum and planet, which justified some of the emotional scenes.

SNW has abused it the point that we cannot even say spock acts like a real vulcan anymore and SNW has not suffered as much as Kelvin Spock. so honestly I do want to know the psyche why some defend this because by objective standard we can see the most trek removed from canon. and it is SNW

I agree that nurses are not the same as doctors but Chapel is not a nurse, she's a highly qualified scientist who volunteered as a nurse during the war and then volunteered as a nurse to get access to quality science equipment in the field and then signed on as a nurse to get to Korby.

Biomedical science degree covers:
-Anatomy and Physiology: The structure and functions of the human body.
-Biochemistry: The chemical processes within living organisms.
-Microbiology and Immunology: The study of microorganisms and the immune system.
-Genetics: The study of heredity and genes.
-Pathology: The study of the causes and effects of disease.
-Pharmacology: The study of how drugs affect the body.

So no, not 'just' a nurse.

I agree that, even assuming she trained as a nurse practitioner, she should not be performing surgery on Batel aided by a physicist and computer expert. But M'Benga deferring to her as an expert in certain areas is not unrealistic.

 

[gabby1701]

These are two different arguments. Is the argument nurses do "more" or do "different" tasks?

Nurses definitely do more. They are the Frontline dealing with things, especially in a military setting. They are responsible for a lot of hands on in emergencies, including IVs, vitals, and executing the doctors orders.

They also do different jobs. I expect a nurse to be far more busy with hands on work.

He was often right even if it had never been done before.

busy yes but not actually doing medical operations or even science research or telling patients their illness over the doctor or been more knowledgeable with medical journal than the doctor.

remember chapel was also shown to know or be as knowledgeable as Korby in archeology that was he expertise. so how do you also explain that?

may I also add that in season 2, she beats Spock playing 3d chess. Kirk never did this in TOS. again how is this also explained away? Chapel is indeed over powered.

there is no good explanation for all the feats chapel can rich. the only explanation is to constantly tell us the girls are better than the boys in everything.

naaah I ain't doing this stuff again with the overpowered girls and the whole nurses can be better than doctors. bye Felicia.

 

[Leo Walsh]

may I also add that in season 2, she beats Spock playing 3d chess. Kirk never did this in TOS. again how is this also explained away? Chapel is indeed over powered.

You clearly didn't pay attention to TOS.

Kirk beats Spock in the first scene in which Kirk ever appears.

there is no good explanation for all the feats chapel can rich. the only explanation is to constantly tell us the girls are better than the boys in everything.

naaah I ain't doing this stuff again with the overpowered girls and the whole nurses can be better than doctors. bye Felicia.

Yeah, now we're getting to it...

 

[fireproof78]

busy yes but not actually doing medical operations or even science research or telling patients their illness over the doctor or been more knowledgeable with medical journal than the doctor.

That would depend on the field. Is trust a pediatric nurse or nurse practitioner over an oncologist or emergency room doctor.

remember chapel was also shown to know or be as knowledgeable as Korby in archeology that was he expertise. so how do you also explain that?

Do you know how many people I know who carry two degrees in two different specialties? The trainer i had with a doctorate in psychology and jurisprudence at 40 and an ongoing practice?

I can explain it fine if the real world can do it why Star Trek?

may I also add that in season 2, she beats Spock playing 3d chess. Kirk never did this in TOS.

Yes, Kirk did.

there is no good explanation for all the feats chapel can rich. the only explanation is to constantly tell us the girls are better than the boys in everything.

Well, that's certainly an opinion. One I cannot take even close to seriously.