What is your honest opinion of Enterprise?
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I thought overall ENT fit into established continuity quite well (and even as far a UESPA and some of the early inco nsitencies presented in 'The Cage' TOS pilot; and the first 13 or so episodes of TOS, the manner in which ENT presents UESPA and the early Earth StarFleet gels pretty well overall.)
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I honestly thought it did a good job (more in Seasons 3 and 4), of tying into many TOS era backstories and threads. If you knew what they were refering to, it was kind of an extra 'Easter Egg'; but especially in the 4th season what I liked is - if you had zero knowledge of Star Trek prior to ENT; the stories still stood on there own as good stories (well, maybe not Stormfront or Deadalus) - and if you went on to watch TOS and some of the other series, you might get a little more out of both the later series and ENT.
Of course, YMMV.
Only seen ENT once and fairly recently but that was impression I got. Apart from the Borg ep and Rom cloaks (which can forgive), I liked the fact they made an effort to link into TOS when they really didn't have to...
I don't even know what the Concordance is, so...
A brief history: The Star Trek Concordance
I'm working with Bjo on a new edition. As such, I don't have the luxury of just ignoring certain episodes.
I can't even remember if I answered this thread before, so I'll be succinct. ENT would have been a lot better if it had been Birth of the Federation - really take advantage of the time period - instead of just being a bunch of warmed over TNG and VOY scripts for two years interspersed with a nonsensical time travel plotline, then a half-assed stab at imitating DS9 for a year, followed by a good year (if a bit fanficcy - not a huge crime to me) under Manny Coto.
Still, if it were still on the air now, I'd still be watching it. I miss Star Trek. Movies just aren't enough.
Still, if it were still on the air now, I'd still be watching it. I miss Star Trek. Movies just aren't enough.
I just finished the 4th season.
The first two seasons had too many boring episodes. There were some I liked--Carbon Creek, The Andorian Incident, Mine Field, to name a few---but overall there were just too many clunkers in there, like Trip getting pregnant and Precious Cargo.
The third season was okay, kinda slow at first but I liked the last 7 or 8 episodes of it, mostly.
The fourth season was very enjoyable. It's obviously what the show should have been as a prequel. It got a little too fan-wankery in a few spots (the Klingon augments episodes were okay, but just kind of silly). But I enjoyed seeing how the founding species of the federation came together, early altercations with the Romulans, and how that led to the creation of the Federation, etc. That's what the series should have been about all along and it's very disappointing to see it end right after it finally figures it out. I also liked how the fourth season was mostly 2-3 episode arcs. It let itself tell great stories by not having to squeeze them in a single episode or stretch it over an entire season.
But I'm guessing all of this has been said before. I'm 6 years late, after all.
The first two seasons had too many boring episodes. There were some I liked--Carbon Creek, The Andorian Incident, Mine Field, to name a few---but overall there were just too many clunkers in there, like Trip getting pregnant and Precious Cargo.
The third season was okay, kinda slow at first but I liked the last 7 or 8 episodes of it, mostly.
The fourth season was very enjoyable. It's obviously what the show should have been as a prequel. It got a little too fan-wankery in a few spots (the Klingon augments episodes were okay, but just kind of silly). But I enjoyed seeing how the founding species of the federation came together, early altercations with the Romulans, and how that led to the creation of the Federation, etc. That's what the series should have been about all along and it's very disappointing to see it end right after it finally figures it out. I also liked how the fourth season was mostly 2-3 episode arcs. It let itself tell great stories by not having to squeeze them in a single episode or stretch it over an entire season.
But I'm guessing all of this has been said before. I'm 6 years late, after all.
I thought overall ENT fit into established continuity quite well (and even as far a UESPA and some of the early inco nsitencies presented in 'The Cage' TOS pilot; and the first 13 or so episodes of TOS, the manner in which ENT presents UESPA and the early Earth StarFleet gels pretty well overall.)
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I honestly thought it did a good job (more in Seasons 3 and 4), of tying into many TOS era backstories and threads. If you knew what they were refering to, it was kind of an extra 'Easter Egg'; but especially in the 4th season what I liked is - if you had zero knowledge of Star Trek prior to ENT; the stories still stood on there own as good stories (well, maybe not Stormfront or Deadalus
Of course, YMMV.
Only seen ENT once and fairly recently but that was impression I got. Apart from the Borg ep and Rom cloaks (which can forgive), I liked the fact they made an effort to link into TOS when they really didn't have to...
Obviously even before ST09 the timeline was disrupted by events in "First Contact".
RAMA
^Excpet First Contact is repeatedly referenced in Voyager, which builds on and crosses over to TNG and DS9, so segregating Enterprise in an alternate timeline as a result of FC doesn't work.
Damn.
That hasn't been the case in prior versions of the Concordance. TOS' continuity was broken long before the sequels and prequels, and Bjo never wasted her time making excuses for the writers.
You appear to be confusing the Concordance with the Nitpicker's Guide.
There are plenty of instances of bending over backwards to make some odd bit of continuity fit with the rest. And I own copies of every edition that's been printed, from 1969 onwards.
There are plenty of instances of bending over backwards to make some odd bit of continuity fit with the rest. And I own copies of every edition that's been printed, from 1969 onwards.
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Predestination paradox that was kept out of the history books.
Don't go down the road of a radically altered timeline. That way lies madness.
Don't go down the road of a radically altered timeline. That way lies madness.
Then how do you explain "In a Mirror, Darkly" and "These are the Voyages"?
Can't there be alternate realities and different timelines?
Multiple realities, alternate realities, alternate timelines, parallel timelines, mirror universes, alternate universes, phased universes, phased realities, and subspace.
Multiple timelines within multiple realities? Now, I'm afraid, you've lost me.
Look, the above has been a part of Star trek lore since City On The Edge Of Forever - as, before they beamed down and interacted with te Guardian, in their timeline, McCoy had NEVER traveled to the 1930ies.
(and I say that a a HUGE TOS fan.)
It used to be so easy: there are parallel universes, and each of these universes has its own timeline.
