Spoilers What is the connection between Doctor Soong and Khan Singh?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Charles Phipps, May 27, 2022.

  1. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I think the show was implying that Adam Soong was the creator of Khan in the Nineties.

    I mean, they do have suspiciously similar names.

    This would also make La'an possibly a relative of the Soong family.

    What do you guys think?
     
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  2. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    Just thankful that La'an doesn't look like Brent Spiner in a wig. (No offense, Brent.)
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    Singh is a suffix/surname that means Lion, that the Sikh use to identify themselves.

    Khan is a Tiger from the Jungle book.

    His name is Tiger Lion.

    Khan is a Mexican dude that can pass for white.

    If a Mexican dude that can pass for white marches into India, and unites it with Pakistan and want's to hold that shit together, what we learned from Alexander the Great is: You marry a local girl in line for the throne anyway, and convert to her religion.

    I'm going to say that his real name before the genetic manipulation and putting Asia to the sword was "Ian Noon".
     
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  4. Charles Phipps

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    She should have Lal and Soji's haircut.

    Also known as the Sci-fi Bob.

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    I think he was involved in the eugenics project that eventually produced Khan in the 90s and was preparing to go back to them after Soji left him, but I think the folder being dated 1996 was just a nod to the TOS line and they've moved Khan into our future.
     
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    They were just tying into the ENT Augment arc, in the same obvious way the ENT Augment arc tied into Next Gen ("Maybe I'll try... artificial life" *canned laughter, winks at camera*)
     
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    I don't think the show implied that Soong created Khan at all. It implied that he was involved in Khan's eugenics project, which is not the same thing as being the creator of it. I don't believe there is any relationship between the families.
     
  8. fireproof78

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    Seems about right to me. Soong was clearly interested in eugenics and genetic engineering and the folder was him returning to that research.
     
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  10. STEPhon IT

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    I think its best to not think too much on it; these showrunners are making it up as they go. Frankly none of this shit makes sense from the stand point of TOS but in this new CBS + universe the file with very extra large fonts pretty much gives a solid notion Adam is the creator. Didn't enterprise alluded to this possibility? I thought I saw Spiner in an ENT episode dealing with supermen, but it could've been Rene Auberjonios? Meh!
     
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  11. fireproof78

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    Allude? No. It literally had a Soong descendant breeding supermen. All Picard did is show the roots of that interest with a Soong ancestor.

    This is not strange. It fits very well with the Trek universe at large. Save for TOS which doesn't really fit in with TNG forward.
     
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    Could an augment and a fully functioning synthetic have a baby? That is the question.
     
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  13. Charles Phipps

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    Soji is apparently human except for her brain.
     
  14. fireproof78

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    Yes.
     
  15. Therin of Andor

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    The scene with Adam Soong pulling out the old Khan file was setting up the three Arik Soong episodes of “Enterprise”.
     
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  16. Tuskin38

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    According to the creators of Picard, they moved the Eugenics wars into the 21st century.

    SNW implies this as well.
     
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  17. Dukhat

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    The ‘Khan Project’ file was from 1996, the same year that the Botany Bay was launched in ‘Space Seed’ and the same year Khan himself states that he’s from in TWOK. So how can PIC be implying that the Eugenics Wars now take place in the 21st century?
     
  18. Tuskin38

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    The dates could have been easter eggs, or maybe a miscommunication between the art department and writers.

    https://trekmovie.com/2022/03/27/sh...s-handling-time-travel-and-the-eugenics-wars/
     
  19. Therin of Andor

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    Easy. The wars (plural) didn’t end just because Khan left in 1996.
     
  20. Dukhat

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    I don’t think it was an Easter egg. The file looked old, and the 1996 date matches the old-style Manila folder the paper file was kept in.

    Sure, I can accept that logic. However, the fact that there had to be at least one ‘war’ that caused Khan and his followers to escape Earth in 1996 makes moving the rest of the wars into the 21st century kind of pointless.
     
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