What is happening with Star Trek literature?

Its kind of funny reading posts and threads here and elsewhere with the death of a litverse or the SW EU. Cause I only ever dipped by toe and waddled into the wiki's. CODA sounds like it was a mess that ended with a reset button for the new'verse, and Legends to Canon was and is a giant mess of references, call backs, and uncertain canonical statusus :p.

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But where's the SNW and ENT books?

I need my 2170-2200 era explored.

i need my NX fix.

Stick it in me. I can handle it!!!!



My first trek book was the one with the space cloud that cannabilzed the soviet carrier. The one with the upside down battlestar. Ghost Ship, I think it was called.

Ah, fond memories.
Dude, imagine how I feel. I want more Lost Era stories.
 
Dude, imagine how I feel. I want more Lost Era stories.
You'll get what you got the past 30 years and nothing more :mad::mad:!!

Now its ENT Time.

Now will always be ENT Time!!

ENT TIME!

ENTIME!!!

ENTIIIIIIIMEEE!!!

The good news there is the Lost Era is going to be explored onscreen, with the upcoming Section 31 movie, featuring a young Rachel Garrett.
They're still going ahead with the S31 movie?!
 
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Only to people who didn't understand it. Unless you've read it for yourself, what do you really know?
All of you Coda authors deserve a round of applause for coming up with a satisfying conclusion to decades of Trek lit. It may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but I loved the carnage and thought that almost every character death had some kind of story/heroic tale to go with it. It was both devastating and epically cool at the same time.
 
All of you Coda authors deserve a round of applause for coming up with a satisfying conclusion to decades of Trek lit. It may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but I loved the carnage and thought that almost every character death had some kind of story/heroic tale to go with it. It was both devastating and epically cool at the same time.
Thank you, that's kind of you to say. I get that it wasn't going to work for everyone. We expected that going in. I was just surprised that so many people misunderstood its central theme: that there is value in doing good for others, even when one's actions will not be known or celebrated. That heroes fight for the good of others not for recognition, but because they know it's the right thing to do. They rage against the dying of the light. In a larger sense, it's about the struggle we'll all have to face someday, about how we choose to meet our own endings.
 
This is part of a planned upgrade that was first announced a month ago. Basically, we upgraded our software from our v1.x instance of XenForo, to the latest v2.2. The update provides a number of improvements, both in the user experience, and behind-the-scenes.

The general layout is here to stay, but if there are specific design elements that don’t seem to work properly/are hard to read/etc, you can always bring them up in QSF for our Tech Admin to review.
The thing I dislike with the upgrade it the site has lost my reading positions.
 
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Thank you, that's kind of you to say. I get that it wasn't going to work for everyone. We expected that going in. I was just surprised that so many people misunderstood its central theme: that there is value in doing good for others, even when one's actions will not be known or celebrated. That heroes fight for the good of others not for recognition, but because they know it's the right thing to do. They rage against the dying of the light. In a larger sense, it's about the struggle we'll all have to face someday, about how we choose to meet our own endings.
This was a great theme in Superman: Space Age which I thought was magnificent.
 
Its kind of funny reading posts and threads here and elsewhere with the death of a litverse or the SW EU. Cause I only ever dipped by toe and waddled into the wiki's. CODA sounds like it was a mess that ended with a reset button for the new'verse, and Legends to Canon was and is a giant mess of references, call backs, and uncertain canonical statusus
Both have been ‘reboot’, and post reboot-works have brought back or made references to things from the previous continuity.

Though in Trek’s case the pre-reboot litverse continuity is an erased timeline that branched off with First Contact(?), in Star Wars the EU was not (so far).
 
But even Taylor's books stopped being treated as "canon" almost as soon as she stopped working on the show.

No media tie-in book is ever truly "canon" because they can and will be contradicted by the onscreen version if the need arises. This is not a value judgment; it's simply the nature of the beast.

The tail does not wag the dog.
Even Disney era Star Wars, which tried to promote everything as equally canon has had contradictions pop up between the tie-ins and the screen media. The only one I can testify to with first hand knowledge is the backstory for the Rebels character Kanan Jarrus. They originally gave us a backstory for him in a comic book miniseries, but they eventually gave us a different backstory in the first episode of The Bad Batch that contradicted the first issue of the miniseries. I haven't read the novel yet, but one of the episodes of Tails of the Jedi focused on Ahsoka Tano, gave us a story that was similar to but inconsistent with the novel Ahsoka. So no matter how much the creators might like to say everything is equal in these kind of franchises, the onscreen material is always going to come first.
 
But even Taylor's books stopped being treated as "canon" almost as soon as she stopped working on the show.

No media tie-in book is ever truly "canon" because they can and will be contradicted by the onscreen version if the need arises. This is not a value judgment; it's simply the nature of the beast.

The tail does not wag the dog.
Which is really weird.

I mean, Taylor was one of the creators of Voyager and she did write two decent books, Mosaic about Kathryn Janeway and her life before Voyager and Pathways about the other main characters and their life before Voyager.

Despite some oddities which I won't go into now, those books were actually quite good and gave good background stories to the main characters of the series.

Then all of a sudden, Taylor's out, her books aren't regarded as "canon" anymore and then we have a lot of contradictions starting to show up to what was stated in those books, the change of name of B'Elanna Torres' mother Prabsa (in the book Pathways) to Miral (in later Voyager epiosodes) and the name of B'Elanna's homeworld as Nessik (in the book Pathways) to Kessik (in later Voyager episodes).

There are other such contradictions as well but I stay with what I have come up with so far.

And I don't understand why, I mean Taylor was higly involved in the creation of the series and its characters and then her contributions when it comes to those books are suddenly erased, just like some bickering in a rock band where an important member of the band is fired and that persons contributions are erased from the upcoming album and the person is photoshopped out of the sleeeve of the album too.

But I'm not surprised when it comes to Berman and Braga. It's typical for them.
 
And I don't understand why, I mean Taylor was higly involved in the creation of the series and its characters and then her contributions when it comes to those books are suddenly erased, just like some bickering in a rock band where an important member of the band is fired and that persons contributions are erased from the upcoming album and the person is photoshopped out of the sleeeve of the album too.
Not really the same thing. As far as I know, none of Taylor's contributions to the actual TV shows were "erased" after she left.

But the books are a different story. TV shows are under no obligation to treat any book tie-ins as "canon," regardless of who writes them. The rules are simple: the books have to be consistent with the shows, but the shows don't have to be consistent with the books. Period.

That's not a criticism or a complaint; that's simply how media tie-in books have worked since the days of THE LONE RANGER at least. Star Trek books are no different.

There's no reason to see any personal vendetta against Tayor here. It's just business as usual where tie-in books and other anciliary products are concerned.
 
Books have never been part of TV canon, only supplementary and even then as something to be pulled from.

Media-tie in are canon to themselves, not to the canon itself.
 
Not really the same thing. As far as I know, none of Taylor's contributions to the actual TV shows were "erased" after she left.

But the books are a different story. TV shows are under no obligation to treat any book tie-ins as "canon," regardless of who writes them. The rules are simple: the books have to be consistent with the shows, but the shows don't have to be consistent with the books. Period.

That's not a criticism or a complaint; that's simply how media tie-in books have worked since the days of THE LONE RANGER at least. Star Trek books are no different.

There's no reason to see any personal vendetta against Tayor here. It's just business as usual where tie-in books and other anciliary products are concerned.
Still a bit weird when a member of the staff who produced the show and wrote stories for the series comes up with some background stuff in a book during the time she still was one of the producers and writers of the show and then it's all re-written after she was gone. They could simply just have left as it were.

The comparision with a bickering rock band is actually quite adequate. The guitar player is one of the powers in the band when it comes to songwriting. Then he's out for unknown reasons ("mutual agreement"? ;) ) and the singer and the keyboard player takes all credit for some unfinished stuff the guitarplayer had done when he still was in the band.
 
It’s not that unusual. Pathways and Mosaic were basically like the character backgrounds in writers’ bibles. Sometimes they get ignored, sometimes they get changed, sometimes it just never comes up. The only difference is that the VGR version was dramatized and made available to the public, instead of only being found by superfans who got a leaked copy. That could’ve led to the “changes for changes sake,” like character names, to make it clear they weren’t considering themselves beholden to the Taylor backstory. Or the names didn’t make it through legal clearance.

Even stuff that happens in the show is altered or ignored often enough, it’s no surprise that it would happen to behind-the-scenes information.
 
I haven't read any Trek novels since Losing The Peace in 2009. Looks like I won't be starting any time soon. Oh well, at least we still have the classics by Diane Duane, John Ford, et al...
 
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