Spoilers What is a dealbreaker for me so far - Technology question

[Fandango831]

Why is the bridge the size of a football field and equipped with panels that look like the stardrive section bridge on the E-D? Why is the transporter room ridiculously huge with tons of room between each pad? Why do all the panels look more advanced than what's on the JJPrise, which is further in the future than the Shenzou in an alternate universe that had its technology advanced by time travellers?

None of this show fits in the past. It would work perfectly after the TNG era.

Realistically answering the bridge size would be obviously fitting big cameras on set for dynamic angles/shots. My thought for canon would be the overall design of the bridge was for redundant systems and overall spaciousness. To me that is more personal preference than anything else, it would be like asking why is any bridge on any ship big? A small CIC would be realistically sufficient if we wanted to get into sizing. As for the transporter room they get into why it's so big and that is due to using an inefficient and power hungry means of transporting people that has been phased out of ship design already (basically a past design dud). As for panels on the Shenzhou they have a lot of tactile control surfaces (throttle/joystick) and buttons compared to the JJ-Prise era for sure which is primarily all touch systems. Minus the more TNG film lighting scheme used on set and on camera I'd say they did a fairly good job of advancing the ENT tech look or explaining why something is the way it is on screen. To really hit the mark they should have tried to aim for the more ENT lighting on set for the Shenzhou and thrown out the whole ridiculous holo comms thing which just really doesn't belong in Trek in general.

 

[tomswift2002]

These ships don't even fit in with the evolution there. It wouldn't be hard to take the old designs and tweak them to look good at 1080p or 4K. The uniforms make zero sense.

If they said this took place in the 25th century I wouldn't be bothered in the least because everything seems to have evolved from there. The problem is that they're saying this took place in a time that everybody is familiar with and it doesn't fit. It's like having a machine gun during the middle ages or dinosaurs being axe-wielding murderers.

They’ve already made a bridge based upon the TOS era Constitution class that looked good in both widescreen and resultions higher than 4K. It’s the refit bridge, and yet that bridge is still cramped.

Even in Enterprise’s “In A Mirror Darkly” The TOS era bridge looked good in widescreen and 1080!

 

[Blamo]

The Shenzou struck me as an extension from the Enterpise era, at least exteriorwise. And to some extent interior, barring the blinky stuff. What looks like the engine room of the Discovery in the episode 3 preview seemed pretty reminiscent of Enterpise to me. .02

As the captain said, it's an old ship, so that'd make sense. The mention of "phase cannons" certainly implies that the technology hasn't yet hit TOS levels yet.

The Discovery herself may be a stepping stone, what with the smoother hull, round saucer section and deflector dish. I kinda hope it was a testbed for the technologies that'll go into the Constitution class.

I think it's easy to forget that the Constitution-class will be state of the art tech when it launches, being this decade's Excelsior-class.

 

[GilmourD]

As the captain said, it's an old ship, so that'd make sense. The mention of "phase cannons" certainly implies that the technology hasn't yet hit TOS levels yet.

The Discovery herself may be a stepping stone, what with the smoother hull, round saucer section and deflector dish. I kinda hope it was a testbed for the technologies that'll go into the Constitution class.

I think it's easy to forget that the Constitution-class will be state of the art tech when it launches, being this decade's Excelsior-class.

Except for the fact that the Enterprise herself is 11 years old in 2256 when Discovery starts, and she's the second ship of her class, which means the Constitution is probably a couple years older. This is actually two years AFTER The Cage.

I wouldn't have an issue with the designs if this were set in the late 2300s/early 2400s and they didn't try to shoehorn it into the era of Pike being captain of the Enterprise.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Except for the fact that the Enterprise herself is 11 years old in 2256 when Discovery starts, and she's the second ship of her class, which means the Constitution is probably a couple years older. This is actually two years AFTER The Cage.

Shenzhou is said to be an old ship in 2249. when Burnham first comes aboard. The Enterprise was only a few year old then.

 

[GilmourD]

Shenzhou is said to be an old ship in 2249. when Burnham first comes aboard. The Enterprise was only a few year old then.

Blamo was talking about the Discovery being a testbed for technologies that would go into a as yet unlaunched Constitution class, but the Constitution class is not new as of the setting of this series.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ah so

 

[Spider]

Blamo was talking about the Discovery being a testbed for technologies that would go into a as yet unlaunched Constitution class, but the Constitution class is not new as of the setting of this series.

Sounds like a good excuse to have higher tech than we are used to in the Prime universe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sounds like a good excuse to have higher tech than we are used to in the Prime universe.

Rust buckets like the Connies are only good enough for guys on their way up like Kirk or those about to be put to pasture like Decker or Tracy

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Sounds like a good excuse to have higher tech than we are used to in the Prime universe.

The Enterprise is at lest 12 years old at this point. Its not a knew design. It sits between the 22nd Century walker and the Crossfiled classes. And if its just 1 of 13, it was not even a successful class.

Really the only thing we see more advanced is Holograms and that is because the budget allows to pull them off.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Rust buckets like the Connies are only good enough for guys on their way up like Kirk or those about to be put to pasture like Decker or Tracy

This is my thoughts, with only 13 in the class, it could not been a roaring success. It was not even kept what, 9 years after a massive rebuild and redesign?

 

[Nerys Myk]

No record. Not officially, anyway.

NO record?
Ahem

Captain's log, stardate 3012.4. Despite our best efforts to disengage computers, the Enterprise is still locked on a heading for the mysterious planet Talos Four. Meanwhile, as required by Starfleet General Orders, a preliminary hearing on Lieutenant Commander Spock is being convened. And in all the years of my service, this is the most painful moment I've ever faced.

Captain's log, stardate 3417.7. Except for myself, all crew personnel have transported to the surface of the planet. Mutinied. Lieutenant Uhura has effectively sabotaged the communications station. I can only contact the surface of the planet. The ship can be maintained in orbit for several months, but even with automatic controls, I cannot pilot her alone. In effect, I am marooned here. I'm beginning to realise just how big this ship really is, how quiet. I don't know how to get my crew back, how to counteract the effect of the spores. I don't know what I can offer against paradise.

Surely you aren't suggesting that Captain Kirk altered or erased his log!!!!

 

[GilmourD]

This is my thoughts, with only 13 in the class, it could not been a roaring success. It was not even kept what, 9 years after a massive rebuild and redesign?

It was 25 years old at the time of the refit. Enterprise B was launched 2293, so 23 years after the refit. They didn't decomission all Constitution class ships, but at least specifically the Enterprise because of the new ship carrying its name, and also because of the damage it sustained in its last mission.

So, that's at least 50 years for not only the entire class but even some of the actual spaceframes.

 

[fireproof78]

Rust buckets like the Connies are only good enough for guys on their way up like Kirk or those about to be put to pasture like Decker or Tracy

So, it's promotion farm? Because, all admirals are crazy

 

[Mirror Mirror]

It was 25 years old at the time of the refit.

Well it had two refits before the rebuild. She was 20 years old In TOS, there should have been more than 13 of the class.

 

[Gojira]

That's not true. While I was bothered by the overall design of NX-01 just being a flipped over 24th century design, the interiors made sense. The only part of the JJPrise that bothered me was the brewery. That just made zero sense as far as how warp engines "fictionally, theoretically" have been established to work.

These ships don't even fit in with the evolution there. It wouldn't be hard to take the old designs and tweak them to look good at 1080p or 4K. The uniforms make zero sense.

If they said this took place in the 25th century I wouldn't be bothered in the least because everything seems to have evolved from there. The problem is that they're saying this took place in a time that everybody is familiar with and it doesn't fit. It's like having a machine gun during the middle ages or dinosaurs being axe-wielding murderers.

You're actually proving my point. You want it to fit a 1960s aesthetics and only fan films will do that. Just because it's 2017 and special effects and designs have improved and changed is no reason to say the TOS era time line cannot be revisited. Again only in fan films will it look like the 1960s aesthetics one again.

 

[Gojira]

That's the straw man. All we're saying is that we want it to look like it could reasonably exist in the same fictional time period. It doesn't haveto look like the '60s This is the '17s after all. But if it could look similar to the Star Trek's depiction of the 2250s that's be great.
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You seem to be confirming what I said. What's the difference between "doesn't have to look like the 60s" and "But if it could look similar to the Star Trek's depiction of the 2250s." That sounds vague and almost contradictory. What would that even look like? We're is the line?

 

[GilmourD]

You're actually proving my point. You want it to fit a 1960s aesthetics and only fan films will do that. Just because it's 2017 and special effects and designs have improved and changed is no reason to say the TOS era time line cannot be revisited. Again only in fan films will it look like the 1960s aesthetics one again.

I don't think you actually read my post. The JJPrise mostly worked for what I personally would want. Maybe get rid of the see-through displays in the middle of the bridge and finesse the nacelles and their supports a touch. Oh, and make engineering make sense for a starship. There's nothing 1960s about that.

Honestly, though, they should let guys like @Vektor and @MadMan1701A do their design work. They know how to take the original designs and make them seem like they're today's designs.

 

[Gojira]

I don't think you actually read my post. The JJPrise mostly worked for what I personally would want. Maybe get rid of the see-through displays in the middle of the bridge and finesse the nacelles and their supports a touch. Oh, and make engineering make sense for a starship. There's nothing 1960s about that.

Honestly, though, they should let guys like @Vektor and @MadMan1701A do their design work. They know how to take the original designs and make them seem like they're today's designs.

Thanks for the clarification. I understand what you're saying and I actually agree with your points.

 

[fireproof78]

You seem to be confirming what I said. What's the difference between "doesn't have to look like the 60s" and "But if it could look similar to the Star Trek's depiction of the 2250s." That sounds vague and almost contradictory. What would that even look like? We're is the line?

There is no line.