What ifs never considered yet
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Whether or not the Federation was "directly" responsible isn't the dilemma, but they were in fact responsible. The Federation hosted the negotiation, and they allowed the Ferengi to enter the wormhole.
Even if Voyager didn't make it to the wormhole in time, they still saved a society from cringeworthy exploitation. Not only were they exploiting them, they were teaching them to exploit each other, their children, their brothers, etc. Would you want to be ruled over by a Ferengi? Watching them on TV is bad enough...
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First off, I think every American right now can tell you exactly what it's like to be ruled over by Ferengi.
The Federation hosted the negotiations but they didn't own the wormhole, they were bidding like everyone else. Arguing that makes them responsible is like saying the worker who paved the highway is responsible for a car crash.
I'm not saying Ferengi make just rulers, but it's not exactly their jurisdiction. The PD might not apply because it's not an internal conflict, but I doubt every Federation ship in neutral territory takes it upon themselves to topple every local dictator. And many economists would argue an economy where everyone behaves strictly in personal self interests will lead to the mathematically optimized end result.
Think about how they left them, too. They burned people at the stake and saw people vanish before their eyes. Confirming to them the Gods like it when you burn people at the stake. They could have ushered in a Crusade. Not an improvement.
The more interesting possibility there is what if Spock had stayed dead?
What if the Borg kids had destroyed Voyager trying to rip the deflector dish off and the Voyager crew had to beam over to the disabled cube and do the rest of the journey home in the cube - which Seven of Nine would have undoubtedly fixed once everyone was there?
What if Kira had accepted Dukat's offer to go fight Klingons in the Cardassian freighter?
What if Janeway, Torres, and Tuvok had had to use regeneration alcoves for the rest of the journey home after being retrieved at the end of Unimatrix 0?
What if Kira had accepted Dukat's offer to go fight Klingons in the Cardassian freighter?
What if Janeway, Torres, and Tuvok had had to use regeneration alcoves for the rest of the journey home after being retrieved at the end of Unimatrix 0?
Are you saying they can't govern themselves? That one guy in the beginning couldn't feed his family anymore.
The REAL Ferengi here on earth are a real problem. Much worse than simply bad comedy. Wouldn't the world be a better place if the Space ship Voyager came along and sent all the Banksters through a wormhole?
Gosh, you're like...so evil!
Well, let's face it. Janeway's excuse to deal with the Ferengi (that the Federation would be in some way responsible) is really paperthin. At the very best, it has some credibility at the surface but it falls apart as soon as you start to think about it.
I do agree with Janeway trying to remove these 2 Ferengi though, but why not just come forward with the real reasons? She (and most of the Voyager crew for that matter) can't endure an innocent bronze age civilization being exploited by two 'evil' Ferengi who have an 'unfair' tech and knowledge advantage, when she believes she can fix it.
That, and she does have a bit of a meddlesome streak. I believe in some private way she enjoys 'one-upping' those Ferengi (This is what I wanted to convey with my earlier post, in jest).
I do agree with Janeway trying to remove these 2 Ferengi though, but why not just come forward with the real reasons? She (and most of the Voyager crew for that matter) can't endure an innocent bronze age civilization being exploited by two 'evil' Ferengi who have an 'unfair' tech and knowledge advantage, when she believes she can fix it.
That, and she does have a bit of a meddlesome streak. I believe in some private way she enjoys 'one-upping' those Ferengi (This is what I wanted to convey with my earlier post, in jest).
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No -- not at all. When ordering at the Bistro, I'll order an apéritif, sometimes, or enjoy a glass of wine, with a gourmet meal. Certainly, on social occasions, I'll have a glass of Champaign, for instance, on New Year's Eve ... Office parties, perhaps. Things of that nature. But on STAR TREK, when Scotty and Bones imbibe ... now, that's something else. And there's been discussion and research into this very phenomenon, believe it, or not. Some of it, right here, on this very site ...
Three (3) years before I ever knew of TrekBBS.com, the question was posited, independently:
"Is Leonard McCoy a Potential Alcoholic?" ... and the responses may just surprise you:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/leonard-mccoy-potential-alcoholic.133049/
Further research into the subject was found on the often accurate and true Internet. Though the title of the piece uses the term "Space Winos," implying that it's covering a wide swath of sci-fi, the fact is, it's entirely to do with STAR TREK: The Classic Series. It's surprisingly complete and indepth in its discussion of everything you wanted to know (and, perhaps, didn't) about the various wines & liquors imbibed on by characters, such as Scotty. Thirsty characters ...
http://www.drunkard.com/5_02_space-winos/
Then he'd kick your ass from the inside. Consider the implications of that.
Yeah, pretty gruesome really. hahaha. What if it was only half a glass? Would you like digest that founder ooze? lol
We're odo's small blobs independently able to shift shape?
Odo's? I doubt it, he isn't the most skilled shapeshifter. It's possible other Founders could pull that off, though.
I have the feeling he wouldn't digest properly. So if he didn't get vomited up immediately, the next day some of your poop would flee the toilet.
The memory alpha article seems to suggest they can mimic things with only portions of themselves, like a combadge. Anyone know when that happened? I'm assuming it's in reference to some instance where one had mimicked a starfleet officer, and had to create the combadge as a separate item
The Doctor's thing looks the same as ours, but isn't. We have all kinds of mushy coping mechanisms to deal with internal conflicts. I agree with you that a human doctor would just be a drama queen with this, but the Doctor's programming, although sophisticated, is still not as sophisticated as a human brain (don't tell him that please; he can do all kinds of things a limited flesh-based creature can't, but his "sanity" would be much more precarious because less padded with protective mechanisms). He doesn't have a subconscious--a programmed, computer-based entity would have no "unknown" part of its psyche (Data's has to be created by a program, which is not really what we know as dreaming, a mass of engrams collapsed into a low-grade thinking mess at night). Everything would always be front and center, accessible, and crystal clear in what he has for a mind. So Doc can't tell himself that this helped him finally plump for someone, he still has to deal with a starkly programmed Hippocratic oath that wants an answer he can't ascribe to his triage programming. So his decision-making programming locks up, which manifests in his personality as a mental breakdown.
I think in the novelverse, the whole changeling species was made simultaneously through some kind of genetic tampering by an even superior being in hoary antiquity, and any changeling individuals who will ever exist already do exist, and there will never be any new ones. So the concept of no changeling ever harming another is extremely important, as any loss of life reduces their population permanently.
Of course, none of that is "cannnnnnon."
Kor
Oh, that's from Invasive Procedures in season 2. One of the bad guys in that episode actually confiscates Odo's comm badge, despite the fact that it's part of him.
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