What if Tuvix had survived?
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Yes but they never mated. So she was not bonded to anyone for life, yet.
Given that they stayed underground for millenia (which to them is considerably more) I don't think they had a chance to experiment in inter-species mating.
Good point. It's left a bit vague, but there's strong evidence that Kes and Neelix never had sex with each other and thus they were never a true mated pair. They are seen to keep separate quarters in the series (although they do share quarters in some the early novels, but those early novels were written before the show had even aired and are thus understandably full of details that contradict the series, such as the Doctor going by the name Zimmerman or Janeway referring to Chakotay as Number One all the time.
I'd also say that Kes is a rebel and free thinker compared to the rest of her people who are pretty passive and traditionalists. If any Ocampan were to break up their mating, it would be Kes.
Thing is though you don't have a lot of time. You get to breed ONCE and if you break up a mating before you come into heat you are on the clock big time to find someone else.
As to Neelix, he later found Dexa.
Salt Monster?
Which novels would that be? I must confess, I have a huge collection of novels, but keeping track of their content is, like Damar would put it, a full-time job.
I don't remember off hand which ones show Kes and Neelix sharing quarters, but I have all the VOY novels and am just about to start re-reading the old ones. I'll try to remember and share the info when I find them. It'll be the really early ones, as they were written before the series aired and lots of continuity errors like that pop up.
Twisted will get you were you want to go.
Neelix is turning Red, thinking about clocking her for letting that naked Polynesian bloke with the huge chest and whirling fire pois into her quarters without a chaperone.
Or was it that she knew where his quarters were?
Regardless, there was a lot of talk about where people lived in that episode, because the stupid rooms kept moving.
Neelix is turning Red, thinking about clocking her for letting that naked Polynesian bloke with the huge chest and whirling fire pois into her quarters without a chaperone.
Or was it that she knew where his quarters were?
Regardless, there was a lot of talk about where people lived in that episode, because the stupid rooms kept moving.
And here I thought poi was just a food, no apparently it is actual fire performance art thingies. I am now informed.
Neelix and Kes didnt share quarters in the series but they did in two of the early books.
Which books? Well, if you want to know right now, check the book reviews on the Kes Website!
If you want to avoid possible spoilers, do a quick check on "odd things and contradictions" in each book review.
Obviously the writers assumed that they would share quarters. When it was revealed that they didn't, then that scenario was absent from the later books.
The consequences would have been excellent!
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Rubbish! Kes is more popular than Harry and Neelix.
Would Tuvix date either Neelix or Tuvok if the three of them had to cohabitate on Voyager?
Tuvix and Tuvok are "probably" on the same Pon farr cycle?
If neither of them can pull a girl, that means that some one has to bite a bullet, or two people have to bite bullets, since one of them even if they feel completely ruined emotionally, won't want to do both of them, because one is sacrifice enough, and they've done their part, and they'll mutiny before they have give out another mercy #### like that again.
No one has to take one for the team, if they can can take care of each other.
Selfcleaning.
Tuvix and Tuvok are "probably" on the same Pon farr cycle?
If neither of them can pull a girl, that means that some one has to bite a bullet, or two people have to bite bullets, since one of them even if they feel completely ruined emotionally, won't want to do both of them, because one is sacrifice enough, and they've done their part, and they'll mutiny before they have give out another mercy #### like that again.
No one has to take one for the team, if they can can take care of each other.
Selfcleaning.
I hate the holodeck answer to Pon farr.
The lightbulb sex opponent is as telepathically void as a pillow.
Holodecks are masturbation.
Homosexuality is several steps up from masturbation.
Besides if the gender of the sex partner matters to complete pon farr, then the gender of the murder partner is as equally important.
Do you have to kill a man to finish Pon Farl or can you kill a woman and it's still over?
Vorik's Pon farr was completed by fighting a girl not to the death.
Vorik, also thought that lightbulb sex was insufficient.
There was a book once that talked about Vulcan sex being %90 telepathic.
Was meditation code for masturbation?
Tuvok told the EMH that he could overcome (overcum?) Pon farr with meditation.
He probably gave himself a rusty venture, without quelling the urge to rapekill a lick.
The lightbulb sex opponent is as telepathically void as a pillow.
Holodecks are masturbation.
Homosexuality is several steps up from masturbation.
Besides if the gender of the sex partner matters to complete pon farr, then the gender of the murder partner is as equally important.
Do you have to kill a man to finish Pon Farl or can you kill a woman and it's still over?
Vorik's Pon farr was completed by fighting a girl not to the death.
Vorik, also thought that lightbulb sex was insufficient.
There was a book once that talked about Vulcan sex being %90 telepathic.
Was meditation code for masturbation?
Tuvok told the EMH that he could overcome (overcum?) Pon farr with meditation.
He probably gave himself a rusty venture, without quelling the urge to rapekill a lick.
I really really hate the holodeck solution to Pon Farr too.
For what it's worth in the New Frontier novels Selar has a gay brother who doesn't go thru Pon Farr, but still has a male partner. His father disapproves of the relationship, not because it's gay but because he thinks any romantic relationship by a Vulcan who doesn't go thru Pon Farr is illogical. That didn't make sense to me as there's plenty of benefits to a partnership beyond sexual. That seemed pretty awkward to me and created a situation where a gay character was being treated in a way that seemed homophobic but wasn't supposed to be.
But in the Vanguard novels there's a lesbian Vulcan T'Prynn who does go thru Pon Farr, and fought her intended husband to the death rather than marry him. She does go on to have a female partner outside of Pon Farr later.
For what it's worth in the New Frontier novels Selar has a gay brother who doesn't go thru Pon Farr, but still has a male partner. His father disapproves of the relationship, not because it's gay but because he thinks any romantic relationship by a Vulcan who doesn't go thru Pon Farr is illogical. That didn't make sense to me as there's plenty of benefits to a partnership beyond sexual. That seemed pretty awkward to me and created a situation where a gay character was being treated in a way that seemed homophobic but wasn't supposed to be.
But in the Vanguard novels there's a lesbian Vulcan T'Prynn who does go thru Pon Farr, and fought her intended husband to the death rather than marry him. She does go on to have a female partner outside of Pon Farr later.
Pon Farr is Logical?
The EMH called it a brain chemistry imbalance.
Blue balls between the ears.
An absence of sex builds up like a pressure cooker till their libedo sounds off like that home time klaxon at the beginning of the Flintstones.
Hmmmm?
Is it possible that Vulcans hadn't invented homosexuality before they met humans?
Telepathic Imprinting + overpowering sex drives (only) for 3 days every seven years + plus a retarding of all higher functions. Is it conceivable that they never fucked out out of season until Humans tricked them into being perverts? And then after sex wasn't about being a screaming Romulan hitting as much and fucking, why just do it with the oposite gender?
If they don't want to have sex with anyone unless they are suffering from Pon Farr, then sexuality doesn't define relationships. Everyone is a friend, male or female of equal value until you become momentarily clinically murderously insane, possibly make a baby, and then you have to raise the child... So there's no heterosexuality either?
One theory (Of mine) is that Pon Far doesn't stop until the girl is preggers.
Which would suggest that the fucukcraziness is halted by the pop into existence of a third mental presence between the boy and girl sexing like their lives depended on it, which follows the bible thumpers interpretation that life starts at conception.
Hmmm. The pop of a mental presence dying as one bloke slams a rock into the others face to win the other's missus...
It's all about pops?
The EMH called it a brain chemistry imbalance.
Blue balls between the ears.
An absence of sex builds up like a pressure cooker till their libedo sounds off like that home time klaxon at the beginning of the Flintstones.
Hmmmm?
Is it possible that Vulcans hadn't invented homosexuality before they met humans?
Telepathic Imprinting + overpowering sex drives (only) for 3 days every seven years + plus a retarding of all higher functions. Is it conceivable that they never fucked out out of season until Humans tricked them into being perverts? And then after sex wasn't about being a screaming Romulan hitting as much and fucking, why just do it with the oposite gender?
If they don't want to have sex with anyone unless they are suffering from Pon Farr, then sexuality doesn't define relationships. Everyone is a friend, male or female of equal value until you become momentarily clinically murderously insane, possibly make a baby, and then you have to raise the child... So there's no heterosexuality either?
One theory (Of mine) is that Pon Far doesn't stop until the girl is preggers.
Which would suggest that the fucukcraziness is halted by the pop into existence of a third mental presence between the boy and girl sexing like their lives depended on it, which follows the bible thumpers interpretation that life starts at conception.
Hmmm. The pop of a mental presence dying as one bloke slams a rock into the others face to win the other's missus...
It's all about pops?
It is a nice thought that Kes did Tuvix until they reached home in the Alpha Quardrant
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