What if... they never got home?
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Endgame was poorly written. What was the point of showing us the crew in the future with their new lives, if Admiral Janeway is going to go back in time and change all of that? They may as well have set up and song and dance number for the first half.
Voyager not making it home could have been a better alternative. Not never making it home, just not in the final episode. Endgame seems to be doing well at one point when Admiral Janeway realises, through her old crew, that they are a family and that their journey meant a lot to them. It was a bit botched, but if Harry of all people was up for staying in the Delta Quadrant, then their is cause for staying and fighting the Borg. Why didn't the writers just stop there? It's a far better sentiment.
Voyager not making it home could have been a better alternative. Not never making it home, just not in the final episode. Endgame seems to be doing well at one point when Admiral Janeway realises, through her old crew, that they are a family and that their journey meant a lot to them. It was a bit botched, but if Harry of all people was up for staying in the Delta Quadrant, then their is cause for staying and fighting the Borg. Why didn't the writers just stop there? It's a far better sentiment.
I would have been fine with them never getting home. Sure would have improved on Relaunch and HEY OMG MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE KILLED OFF JANEWAY.
Would they have become a generational ship like we saw in ENT"s E2? Perhaps, especially if they still had contact with the Alpha quadrant which would have inspired them to keep pointing their prow in that direction. Though personally I think a better choice would be to find a good place to settle down and keep in contact for their descendants so they knew their heritage.
Would they have become a generational ship like we saw in ENT"s E2? Perhaps, especially if they still had contact with the Alpha quadrant which would have inspired them to keep pointing their prow in that direction. Though personally I think a better choice would be to find a good place to settle down and keep in contact for their descendants so they knew their heritage.
I always felt toward the end that they were not that far away anymore anyway.
The beta quadrant was in spitting distance.
Would have been hilarious if they attempted another crazy way to jump all the way back to earth not realizing they are practically knocking on Fed territory already...
The beta quadrant was in spitting distance.
Would have been hilarious if they attempted another crazy way to jump all the way back to earth not realizing they are practically knocking on Fed territory already...
I agree. It's a very interesting question, and I'm sort of mixed myself as to which option seems like a more satisfying conclusion.
Endgame could have been tweaked by eliminating any time travel and have Voyager attempt to plot their way through the Transwarp hub and destroying it at the same time.
And instead of ending it there show them get home and combine it with the Borg Queen getting through and with a ship or 2 and have Starfleet have to fight them off, and then win and end the show there.
And instead of ending it there show them get home and combine it with the Borg Queen getting through and with a ship or 2 and have Starfleet have to fight them off, and then win and end the show there.
Endgame without timetravel...
They find the hub. Janeway thinks about, plans a suicide mission. She uses all her torpedoes during 10 minutes of continuous CGI battling dozens of cubes, trying to squeak through an open wormwhole home until they finally do.
Oh.
Harry makes her out with the Queen as a diversion, and they leave him behind, but he's cool with that, because, y'know. Look at her. Worth it. Totally.
Now and Then lasted 22 Epiosdes.
I have it queued up to get me some face time with Susannah Thompson later on today.
They find the hub. Janeway thinks about, plans a suicide mission. She uses all her torpedoes during 10 minutes of continuous CGI battling dozens of cubes, trying to squeak through an open wormwhole home until they finally do.
Oh.
Harry makes her out with the Queen as a diversion, and they leave him behind, but he's cool with that, because, y'know. Look at her. Worth it. Totally.
Now and Then lasted 22 Epiosdes.
I have it queued up to get me some face time with Susannah Thompson later on today.
They could have thought they had the hub hidden and have Voyager sneak in only to get caught at the last minute and chased as they were destroying the hub from inside it.
And plus where those Klingons got a galactic space and time device that would be more like 29th Century tech is another plot convenience thrown in.
And plus where those Klingons got a galactic space and time device that would be more like 29th Century tech is another plot convenience thrown in.
The Borg don't hide.
They don't have to hide.
Everybody loves them.
At least, that is what they believe.
Which means that assimilating the universe is a humanitarian mission by the Borg, equivalent almost of the Peace Corps building schools in Africa spreading Christianity... Do we actually want to see them seriously kitted up for war if this is them just fucking about? You do recall the crusades in the middle ages right?
There should have been some episodes in the middle of the season so that the final would have appeared to have been relevant as the testicles of the writing returned to be about Unimatrix Zero and the Borg Civil War drawing to a conclusion with the help of Voyager for the final battle...
Oh. What if they had already won, and had invited Janeway and her crew to the trial of the Queen of the Borg (Et All The Borg)? As witnesses, or Jury or this is a stretch, but the Queen may have selected Janeway as her defence attorney because she believed that they were despite their "bickering" friends above all else.
Girlfrenz.
BFF.
But seriously, if Admiral Janweway wanted to help Voyager, she should have stopped the civil war from fizziling out and spluttering so that when the captain found the Hub it was controlled by Free Borg who had the slave borg on the run and Auxum could have said some thing like "Hey Chuckles! Get your damn hands off my woman!"
But no, that would have intruded on Chakotay living happily ever after with his Drone Barbie, which is all the Admiral cared about as she rended the universe into something unsure and less grounded.
They don't have to hide.
Everybody loves them.
At least, that is what they believe.
Which means that assimilating the universe is a humanitarian mission by the Borg, equivalent almost of the Peace Corps building schools in Africa spreading Christianity... Do we actually want to see them seriously kitted up for war if this is them just fucking about? You do recall the crusades in the middle ages right?
There should have been some episodes in the middle of the season so that the final would have appeared to have been relevant as the testicles of the writing returned to be about Unimatrix Zero and the Borg Civil War drawing to a conclusion with the help of Voyager for the final battle...
Oh. What if they had already won, and had invited Janeway and her crew to the trial of the Queen of the Borg (Et All The Borg)? As witnesses, or Jury or this is a stretch, but the Queen may have selected Janeway as her defence attorney because she believed that they were despite their "bickering" friends above all else.
Girlfrenz.
BFF.
But seriously, if Admiral Janweway wanted to help Voyager, she should have stopped the civil war from fizziling out and spluttering so that when the captain found the Hub it was controlled by Free Borg who had the slave borg on the run and Auxum could have said some thing like "Hey Chuckles! Get your damn hands off my woman!"
But no, that would have intruded on Chakotay living happily ever after with his Drone Barbie, which is all the Admiral cared about as she rended the universe into something unsure and less grounded.
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Insteasd of getting home, which I'm glad they did as I hate loose endings, they could've hit a wormhole that would've sent them into another quadrant and another mega ton of light years from home.
They shoulda done a Moses thing. Janeway gets the crew home, but dies before she can set foot in "the promised land".
And seriously, not getting them home in the end? Lame! Remember that shitty feeling that many of us felt when the nuBSG guys found out we had all nuked the hell out of each other? Anti-climax!
And seriously, not getting them home in the end? Lame! Remember that shitty feeling that many of us felt when the nuBSG guys found out we had all nuked the hell out of each other? Anti-climax!
Compared to fornicating with homonids?
Radioactive waste land or a monkey brothel?
It sucks to be them.
Radioactive waste land or a monkey brothel?
It sucks to be them.
Aren't you thinking of the first Earth that the Colonial fleet encountered? That was a total bust, I agree, but it was a great cliffhanger, and they played it so well. It also made finding the real Earth in Daybreak that touch more amazing.
Aside from that, I do like the idea of someone dying in order for the crew to get home. A noble sacrifice for perhaps Janeway or Seven?
Kim
If they didn't get home, it would have left it open for them to get home in a Movie...
(Or failing that, at some point in the Relaunch Novels...)
(Or failing that, at some point in the Relaunch Novels...)
Neelix finding a girlfriend was kind of like the Moses thing.
But if anything went too pear-shaped in Endgame another Janeway or Kim would have showed up to steer them right.
But if anything went too pear-shaped in Endgame another Janeway or Kim would have showed up to steer them right.
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