Cutting thru Dominion space might have made a fun topic for a plot arc, but they still needed to have decent writers to pull it off.
What if the Dominion became in Voyager as well?
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I can't say that I really know where the different quadrants are in relation to each other. So I don't know how far Voyager was from the gamma quadrant at any point. But presumably Voyager was near enough to the gamma quadrant at some point for them to come across some dominion explorers.
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The galaxy is two spiral arms of mostly nothing and a few hundred thousand stars maintaining an approximate diameter end to end of 100 thousand light years. A quadrant is one even quarter of that galaxy. A square turf of space measuring 50 thousand light years by 50 thousand light years.
From the maps I have seen (not real ones, just star trek ones) Earth is about 10 to 15 thousand light years from the rim of the galaxy identified by the Galactic barrier as seen in TOS Where No man has been before (Kirks first episode.), mean while Voyager had been travelling in a near enough straight line ( and 4 sevenths of their complete journey) for 40 thousand light years through a square turf of space 50 thousand light years by 50 thousand light (the hypotenuse of such a right angled triangle is of course 70.7 thousand light years.) without getting anywhere near the border to the beta quadrant, which if caretakers array was also 70 thousand light years from both exits to the Bajoran wormhole is going to sooner or later throw Earth into the core of the Galaxy behind the Great Barrier if these distances re going to make sense.
Try to draw those triangles!
It's ridiculous!!!
Put Earth where it's supposed to be, and then allowing for an oblique enough angle for the wormhole exits to be equidistant puts caretakers array about 5 thousand light years from the beta quadrant and bouncing against the Galactic Barrier.
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The galaxy is two spiral arms of mostly nothing and a few hundred thousand stars maintaining an approximate diameter end to end of 100 thousand light years. A quadrant is one even quarter of that galaxy. A square turf of space measuring 50 thousand light years by 50 thousand light years.
From the maps I have seen (not real ones, just star trek ones) Earth is about 10 to 15 thousand light years from the rim of the galaxy identified by the Galactic barrier as seen in TOS Where No man has been before (Kirks first episode.), mean while Voyager had been travelling in a near enough straight line ( and 4 sevenths of their complete journey) for 40 thousand light years through a square turf of space 50 thousand light years by 50 thousand light (the hypotenuse of such a right angled triangle is of course 70.7 thousand light years.) without getting anywhere near the border to the beta quadrant, which if caretakers array was also 70 thousand light years from both exits to the Bajoran wormhole is going to sooner or later throw Earth into the core of the Galaxy behind the Great Barrier if these distances re going to make sense.
Try to draw those triangles!
It's ridiculous!!!
Put Earth where it's supposed to be, and then allowing for an oblique enough angle for the wormhole exits to be equidistant puts caretakers array about 5 thousand light years from the beta quadrant and bouncing against the Galactic Barrier.
There was another option for getting home that the writers missed. I always thought Voyager should have headed for the core of the galaxy, where the homeworld of the Cytherians (TNG "The Nth Degree") was located. They could have sent Voyager home in a matter of moments, saving the crew at least half their travel time.
So what would be an acceptable distance to make a detour out towards dominion space to check out to see if the worm hole was still open for business? 40 KLY? 25 KLY? 10 KLY?
Lets remember that it was totally out of commission for MONTHS between Voyager season 4 and 5. How long (If she arrived at her destination during that brief window) was Janeway going to wait around on the off chance that Sisko would uncover the orb of the prophets?
Lets remember that it was totally out of commission for MONTHS between Voyager season 4 and 5. How long (If she arrived at her destination during that brief window) was Janeway going to wait around on the off chance that Sisko would uncover the orb of the prophets?
Well, if we're going to take ST V at face value, then the Great Barrier is only a few hours away from Federation space...
Though it's not explicitly stated in the episode, I always assumed the Cytherians were located near the Galactic core. Perhaps just outside the Great Barrier? Also, we don't know what side of the core the Cytherians are located on. Volyager might have to circle part of the core to get there. But probably still less travel time than a direct course to Earth.
the great barrier from Star trek V is around the centre of the galaxy. The galactic barrier was seen in the second pilot where no one has been before, which was ignored in subsequent episodes like the Andromedan invasion where the Kelvans were freeze drying the crew into dodechahedrons or the Medusians who was able to navigate extragalactically in some other episode I forget the name of where Sopck was driven mad or blind by looking at one of those buggers.
The Q Zone Novels use both barriers and show the child hood adventuures of Q and God too.
Well, if we're going to take ST V at face value, then the Great Barrier is only a few hours away from Federation space...
Though it's not explicitly stated in the episode, I always assumed the Cytherians were located near the Galactic core. Perhaps just outside the Great Barrier? Also, we don't know what side of the core the Cytherians are located on. Volyager might have to circle part of the core to get there. But probably still less travel time than a direct course to Earth.
Oh, it is explicitly stated.
Janeway and co. would have had their arses kicked. lol 
Why is this so? Well:
- All high-ranking personnel in Starfleet would have been fully briefed on both the destruction of the Odessey and the discovery of the Changelings/Founders. Even Picard, who at the time had no vessel, would have been briefed on the large potential threat. Of course, since Janeway held a high rank, would have known of the Founders.
- Anti-Dominion technology had not been invented yet, at least when the Intrepid-class was being built and designed. If the polaron beams could rip through a Galaxy-class ship, then an Intrepid-class, which tactically is not adept, would stand little chance. Shields against the Dominion probably only existed fully in season 4. If Starfleet had retrofitted DS9 to withstand a potential Dominion attack at that time (which obviously was used to defend against Klingons) then it makes sense the Federation had developed anti-Dominion technology by then.
Janeway also is not a military specialist or a tactician. Sisko is the former, and Picard is the latter. Janeway really is a science geek, and had extensive military experience.
Why is this so? Well:
- All high-ranking personnel in Starfleet would have been fully briefed on both the destruction of the Odessey and the discovery of the Changelings/Founders. Even Picard, who at the time had no vessel, would have been briefed on the large potential threat. Of course, since Janeway held a high rank, would have known of the Founders.
- Anti-Dominion technology had not been invented yet, at least when the Intrepid-class was being built and designed. If the polaron beams could rip through a Galaxy-class ship, then an Intrepid-class, which tactically is not adept, would stand little chance. Shields against the Dominion probably only existed fully in season 4. If Starfleet had retrofitted DS9 to withstand a potential Dominion attack at that time (which obviously was used to defend against Klingons) then it makes sense the Federation had developed anti-Dominion technology by then.
Janeway also is not a military specialist or a tactician. Sisko is the former, and Picard is the latter. Janeway really is a science geek, and had extensive military experience.
Actually, I think both of those episodes showed the Galactic Barrier. In fact, in "By Any Other Name", Spock and Scotty plot to destroy the Enterprise when it comes in contact with the Barrier, but Kirk doesn't use the option, choosing to try other ways to regain control of the ship from the Kelvans.
But yes, in neither that episode or in "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" was going through the Barrier nearly as dangerous as it was in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
You think that would have stopped Janeway?
Sisko charge of the light brigaded 10 thousand ships all by himself.
Janeway had twice his balls and hair.
Sisko had a massive armada on his side in the initial attack, and in the second case he KNEW it was suicide until the Prophets decided it wasn't. Janeway is sane enough to not rush a superior foe. Even with the Borg she only did it because she knew they were getting their asses kicked by someone tougher. It's psychology to know that a bully whose in the middle of getting beat up by a bigger bully will be too "out of it" (having always been the big guy around) and more willing to make deals with others to get out of a sticky situation.
Conventional speed equated 1000 lightyears = 1 year.
The federation isn't a fixed point. It's a blob of maybe 10 thousand light years across at some points, but then it's not like Picard was ever more than a few hours away from earth if the Story required it, but just making it to a federation border could still mean another year till they made it to Earth even though Kim made it in a shuttle from near the border tot he AQ in Timeless all the way "home".
I've heard estimates of Earth's distance from the Core from 28,000 lightyears to 35,000 ly. So traveling 30,000 ly would certainly have put the Enterprise in the vicinity of the Core, depending on where the Argus Array was located.
But i've also found a screen capture from the episode that shows the glowing "ball" of the Core some distance away. So I think it's safe to say they were near the Core, but not actually in it. I'd say Picard was speaking in general terms, not precisely.
All Janeway did was beat on races bigger and stronger than her little ship. She had no choice. After years of having no choice but to kick the shit out of idiots picking on her, she began to forget what "fear" or "commonsense" was.
She took a row boat into combat against multiple cubes. And I don't mean Voyager. I mean the Delta flyer. A life boat with a popgun on top.
