No, you start the fight then before anything happens, you end it.
It's called a cliffhanger.
What If: Star Trek (TMP)
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No, you start the fight then before anything happens, you end it.
It's called a cliffhanger.
How would a TMP with TSFS/TWOK elements work exactly?
Okay, Kirk is now either a Rear-Admiral or a Full-Admiral or something. Nogura's a Fleet Admiral who's the head of Star Fleet.
That part would be the same...
I could imagine Kirk and Nogura being on-board the ship for some kind of ceremony prior to departure... I don't know if he would stay onboard the ship after departure. Kirk could always come back later or something...
I don't know if the part where Spock has retired from Star Fleet and undergoes the Kolinahr is entirely a good idea (in TMP it worked because he was purging his emotions then after seeing V'Ger and what it stood for he realized having emotions were not all that bad after all) -- was it ever said in TOS that the Kolinahr was a discipline the Vulcans engaged in?'
Okay, I think the TWOK element of having Genesis would make an interesting plot, however I'm not so sure that having Khan in it would be such a good idea. First of all, it was known that Kirk deposited Khan's men there... even if the planet's orbit was shifted they could have detected that with sensors. Next, Khan despite being intense and dominant, and a bit emotional in "Space Seed" he really wasn't anywhere near as nuts and crazy as he was in TWOK -- since he was a superhuman, I would assume he would psychologically resistant to stress that would be overwhelming to most people; basically he wouldn't have been as nuts unless something had damaged his brain.
Instead I would prefer to go right to the Klingon and Romulan elements. Initially in TSFS the idea was to use Romulans, however they ultimately decided to use Klingons since they were more theatrical. However I wonder how it would work if you had Romulan and Klingon collusion -- I mean the Klingons gave the Romulans D-7 designs and more advanced warp-drives, and the Romulans gave the Klingons the Cloaking-device right?
You could also have them either working in opposition, or working together in a tenuous manner in which each one appears to work together but would stab the other in the back and kill them in an instant if they could get their hands on it. Very cut-throat, ruthless and sociopathic.
As for Kirk getting all the way out to the Enterprise and taking over the ship for the purpose of the story, I'm not sure how that would work...
Either way, I would want the story to be set up in a way that Captain Decker would sort of be the USS Enterprise's new captain and this would kind of be a hand-off moment where at the end Decker would be the new captain and future movies would have Decker as a Captain. After all he was a good guy, highly intelligent (especially in the novelization) and he was tall, young, athletic and dashing. I mean he's like a "new" Captain Kirk.
I don't know where to go from here...
CuttingEdge100
Okay, Kirk is now either a Rear-Admiral or a Full-Admiral or something. Nogura's a Fleet Admiral who's the head of Star Fleet.
That part would be the same...
I could imagine Kirk and Nogura being on-board the ship for some kind of ceremony prior to departure... I don't know if he would stay onboard the ship after departure. Kirk could always come back later or something...
I don't know if the part where Spock has retired from Star Fleet and undergoes the Kolinahr is entirely a good idea (in TMP it worked because he was purging his emotions then after seeing V'Ger and what it stood for he realized having emotions were not all that bad after all) -- was it ever said in TOS that the Kolinahr was a discipline the Vulcans engaged in?'
Okay, I think the TWOK element of having Genesis would make an interesting plot, however I'm not so sure that having Khan in it would be such a good idea. First of all, it was known that Kirk deposited Khan's men there... even if the planet's orbit was shifted they could have detected that with sensors. Next, Khan despite being intense and dominant, and a bit emotional in "Space Seed" he really wasn't anywhere near as nuts and crazy as he was in TWOK -- since he was a superhuman, I would assume he would psychologically resistant to stress that would be overwhelming to most people; basically he wouldn't have been as nuts unless something had damaged his brain.
Instead I would prefer to go right to the Klingon and Romulan elements. Initially in TSFS the idea was to use Romulans, however they ultimately decided to use Klingons since they were more theatrical. However I wonder how it would work if you had Romulan and Klingon collusion -- I mean the Klingons gave the Romulans D-7 designs and more advanced warp-drives, and the Romulans gave the Klingons the Cloaking-device right?
You could also have them either working in opposition, or working together in a tenuous manner in which each one appears to work together but would stab the other in the back and kill them in an instant if they could get their hands on it. Very cut-throat, ruthless and sociopathic.
As for Kirk getting all the way out to the Enterprise and taking over the ship for the purpose of the story, I'm not sure how that would work...
Either way, I would want the story to be set up in a way that Captain Decker would sort of be the USS Enterprise's new captain and this would kind of be a hand-off moment where at the end Decker would be the new captain and future movies would have Decker as a Captain. After all he was a good guy, highly intelligent (especially in the novelization) and he was tall, young, athletic and dashing. I mean he's like a "new" Captain Kirk.
I don't know where to go from here...
CuttingEdge100
It's called a bad idea. Any cliffhanger worth it's salt comes from the story just told and promises a continuation of that story. You've just defeated a huge threat to humankind and brought the "family" back together, and you're going to undermine that by slapping an arbitrary action cue on the end, one that forces you in a direction for a sequel that may not fit whatever story that sequel wants to tell.
No, you start the fight then before anything happens, you end it.
It's called a cliffhanger.
Well, they commenced filming TMP before they had an ending! So Klingons popping out of nowhere was a possible ending.
The script for "In Thy Image" ended with the real Ilia materializing after the Ilia Probe (named "Tasha") was found burnt, shriveled and inert, and Will Decker gone, but with an indication that he would return. Had the telemovie led to a "Phase II" series, both Ilia and Decker were required back as they were in all the first 13 scripts.
Even if there was no ending, having the Klingons come back would be an anticlimax regardless, and isn't dramatically valid because they aren't part of the problem set up in the first act, which is some of the most fundamental stuff in screenwriting.
They should have set up more glactico-political story info of the state of relations with the klingon empire. Setting up that a power shift happened in the klingon empire and that relations were fizzling, that they were building up their military and pushing the limits of the organan treaty, that the cold war with them was heating up, perhaps with several small brush fire type incidents on non-alligned worlds. This would explain why starfleet is sending drones into klingon territory to moniter their activity. This would also explaign why there were no avialible ships to send in beyond the enterprise, because they were deployed defensivly against the Klingons and the Romulians. It also explains why Kirk is sent into the front as all the experenced field commanders are tied up in this fleet deployment, and they don't want to pull any ships for fear that the klingons or romulians will take advantage of that and try to invade.
Also, it would be a political coup on earth and the federation, where the new wave movement, of which Decker is a part, are pushing for pacifism, cutting the defensive mission from and a large chunk of starfleet's budget. They could hype the mission as "the legendary crew of the enterprise returns home to save the earth and teh federation once again from threats beyond known space".
Anyone have any ideas for my concept?
Regarding the idea that I posted...
Would it have been better if the Romulans and Klingons worked together, in opposition, or appearing to work together while undercutting eachother in the process?
Would it have been better if the Romulans and Klingons worked together, in opposition, or appearing to work together while undercutting eachother in the process?
Nobody?
Thank you,
CuttingEdge100
CuttingEdge100
Guess I just appreciate it for what it is. If The Motion Picture had come out with the characters and pacing of the Star Trek television series, I'd have been disappointed. Waiting a decade for what would essentially be an expanded episode (isn't that why we bitch about the TNG films?). People change and society changes, and TMP shows it.
Now I want to know more about Spock anf the grassy knoll...
Now I want to know more about Spock anf the grassy knoll...
BillJ,
I still think that TWOK-ish movie, or a movie with a Genesis like device would have been a way better movie than TMP...
CuttingEdge100
I still think that TWOK-ish movie, or a movie with a Genesis like device would have been a way better movie than TMP...
CuttingEdge100
TMP was TMP... saying that it should have been TWOK just isn't reasonable. Should it have been like First Contact?
IMHO the stylistic inspiration for TMP is largely 2001 A Space Odyssey. Large beauty shots, deep appreciation for the scale of space travel, use of the score, extra-long special effects shots and flyovers...
IMHO the stylistic inspiration for TMP is largely 2001 A Space Odyssey. Large beauty shots, deep appreciation for the scale of space travel, use of the score, extra-long special effects shots and flyovers...
Search4,
Well that's why I used the term "What If"...
Well that's why I used the term "What If"...
I personally enjoy TMP for what it is, past the bad disco outfits and sluggish pacing. I like a good intelligent sort of movie every once in a while. I wouldn't want it being replaced by TWOK or something similar.
Well a story involving the Genesis device could be made into a very intelligent movie. The technology would be incredible and there would be a lot of ways it could go wrong, a lot of ethical implications, great controversy from both within the Federation and from the Klingon and Romulans, and it would also have the added bonus for some massive explosions and battles.
CuttingEdge100
CuttingEdge100
DS9Sega,
Like it really matters... there would have simply been another movie made after with a different plot
Like it really matters... there would have simply been another movie made after with a different plot
If it doesn't matter, then why does it matter to you what TMP would have been like with a Genesis plot?
