OK this video gave me that idea but why else do the Q keep picking on humanity?, or more specifically TNG Q
They already figured this out by the time of Hide & Q. Q cryptically says that "perhaps" in the future humanity could advance beyond the Q. (which means it will, because he'd know, as a being who can exist outside time). Picard had earlier called him out about it, thru Shakespeare quotes. We've seen all levels of higher states of being on the show, including some that evolved from humanoid to ethereal right before their very eyes. (Transfigurations) Certainly Wesley's skills are also a sign of that superhuman journey, and while Q seems intent on lambasting humanity over being a "barbarous race" of savages, in today's terms, we'd now call that a big bag of cope lol.
What's really their concern, is what he refers to, in that episode, as the "human compulsion", which I take to mean our need to become better than we are, to evolve, but surely a race of beings as advanced as the Q are not alien to the notion of evolutionary drives. So the reason they are concerned with human nature is more specific. It's our ethical drives they don't understand & which Q is constantly testing. He sees Picard as the model of our ethics (can you blame him?) That's why he doesn't mess with Sisko. Benjamin don't always play by those rules. Plus he's already a little special in that regard.
Q is studying our higher ethics, because if we are to become as advanced as them, that poses a real problem for them, as they are seemingly way less bothered with things like non-interference & having moral standpoints. That means, at some point, when humanity is advanced enough, their party might be in jeopardy of being pooped, by party poopers, or already is (then) & they're trying to figure out why
Human morality is a real controversy for them (hence why they executed Amanda Rogers' parents for choosing to live as humans) This debate goes far beyond just Picard & Q. It's a whole issue among the continuum. My guess is that Q meddles about with primitive humans, (just beginning to understand the universe) because at some other point, we become a real pain in the ass for them
Believe it or not, all indications point to him actually being an advocate for us... albeit a tough love kind of one
What's really their concern, is what he refers to, in that episode, as the "human compulsion", which I take to mean our need to become better than we are, to evolve, but surely a race of beings as advanced as the Q are not alien to the notion of evolutionary drives. So the reason they are concerned with human nature is more specific. It's our ethical drives they don't understand & which Q is constantly testing. He sees Picard as the model of our ethics (can you blame him?) That's why he doesn't mess with Sisko. Benjamin don't always play by those rules. Plus he's already a little special in that regard.
Q is studying our higher ethics, because if we are to become as advanced as them, that poses a real problem for them, as they are seemingly way less bothered with things like non-interference & having moral standpoints. That means, at some point, when humanity is advanced enough, their party might be in jeopardy of being pooped, by party poopers, or already is (then) & they're trying to figure out why
Human morality is a real controversy for them (hence why they executed Amanda Rogers' parents for choosing to live as humans) This debate goes far beyond just Picard & Q. It's a whole issue among the continuum. My guess is that Q meddles about with primitive humans, (just beginning to understand the universe) because at some other point, we become a real pain in the ass for them
Believe it or not, all indications point to him actually being an advocate for us... albeit a tough love kind of one
I rather like the character of Q, De Lancie does such a great job of him. It will be a shame when he's gone.They already figured this out by the time of Hide & Q. Q cryptically says that "perhaps" in the future humanity could advance beyond the Q. (which means it will, because he'd know, as a being who can exist outside time). Picard had earlier called him out about it, thru Shakespeare quotes. We've seen all levels of higher states of being on the show, including some that evolved from humanoid to ethereal right before their very eyes. (Transfigurations) Certainly Wesley's skills are also a sign of that superhuman journey, and while Q seems intent on lambasting humanity over being a "barbarous race" of savages, in today's terms, we'd now call that a big bag of cope lol.
What's really their concern, is what he refers to, in that episode, as the "human compulsion", which I take to mean our need to become better than we are, to evolve, but surely a race of beings as advanced as the Q are not alien to the notion of evolutionary drives. So the reason they are concerned with human nature is more specific. It's our ethical drives they don't understand & which Q is constantly testing. He sees Picard as the model of our ethics (can you blame him?) That's why he doesn't mess with Sisko. Benjamin don't always play by those rules. Plus he's already a little special in that regard.
Q is studying our higher ethics, because if we are to become as advanced as them, that poses a real problem for them, as they are seemingly way less bothered with things like non-interference & having moral standpoints. That means, at some point, when humanity is advanced enough, their party might be in jeopardy of being pooped, by party poopers, or already is (then) & they're trying to figure out why
Human morality is a real controversy for them (hence why they executed Amanda Rogers' parents for choosing to live as humans) This debate goes far beyond just Picard & Q. It's a whole issue among the continuum. My guess is that Q meddles about with primitive humans, (just beginning to understand the universe) because at some other point, we become a real pain in the ass for them
Believe it or not, all indications point to him actually being an advocate for us... albeit a tough love kind of one
BTW why his fascination with the Picard family? Despite his death he still popped up at the very end of Picard to introduce himself to his son
Theory: The Q are humanity, and Q himself is a Picard descendant. So he's the trickster/guardian angel of his family line at certain points in history.
Ooh Laura I love this idea
The only reason I don’t quite buy that is that if it were true, warning that humans needed to stop expanding farther out into space in “Encounter at Farpoint” would have been risky. What if humanity as a whole had gotten scared and agreed?
He gambled humanity wouldn't.
One heck of a gamble — lose and never exist.
It would be a pretty tragic development if we'd advanced to that point & somehow got worse ethically though, that our own ways had become so alien to us. Q has historically been a jerk to a lot of different folks out there. So you're saying we become omnipotent jerks? lol
We haven't met the ones who aren't yet.
Become?
Perhaps he already knew we would go anyway
Maybe — in fact, given his powers, he ought to — but then what’s the point of either the initial warning, or the test?
Because even if he had some idea humans and their free will can be an unplanned variable that can change
In which case he doesn’t know. But if he has a general sense that they’ll keep exploring, but it’s possible that they won’t because of some new variable, and (per the thread, not something I believe) Q is future-humanity, telling them to go home instead seems a tremendously dumb risk on Q’s part of becoming said variable and wiping his own people out. So this seems like it would be nonsensical, if this were the case.
But at any rate, didn’t a recent SNW strongly imply that the Q started as humanoid aliens who were once from the planet of the week? Of the two possibilities, that makes more sense, and erases the problem.
I don't know which SNW episode you are talking about
According to Memory Alpha, the planet was Vadia IX, from “Wedding Bell Blues” and “Through the Lens of Time”.
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