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What if Gene Roddenberry was still alive.

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What would we have different at in the trek world, in your opinion?

There are a lot of people here who play a serous sim game so if we could reprogram a computer to come up with the new ideas for star trek what would they be?

If, for example, rather then logic switches there were direct protégées of Gene could we unite in the star trek camaraderie? how would this change the shape of the vision for the future?

But. can there ever be pure and simple growth into the future of star trek?

can we recreate the essence that was Gene?

would it be believed?
 
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It's a nice sentiment, think, but...

While I give GR full credit (I think) for coming up with the concept of Star Trek and some of its basic principles (not to mention Spock, my all-time favorite Trek character), I really do think some of his ideas were, well, hogwash. And not particularly good drama, if you ask me. For example, his insistence that humanity, or at least that portion of humanity that serves in Starfleet, be so dang clean and perfect - this is not only extremely unlikely, but it's kind of boring. I'm all for optimism, and that is one of my favorite characteristics of Trek, but Gene took it way too far.

So I'm glad Gene passed the torch, and I really don't think I would have enjoyed Trek nearly as much if it had remained unmitigated GR all the way down the line.
 
IMO Gene's positivity could make the plot work with out a villain or have villain so powerful that they live buy different rules like say Trelane whom parents were in charge of Trelane. But to think up these beings where did they come from Trelane's parents? I will have more to say but lets see what else gets talked of..
 
Yes, it was and continues to be too simplistic and bland even with singular concepts that don't have any layers of complexity. Star Trek needs another lens to focus the reality more on the situation and less on the people. GR did offer a surrealness that offset that. I.e. simplicity coming from out there to us but you can't start with that. The mystery has to be complex. The first line was 'The impossible has happened.'
 
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I have to agree. Gene started the ball rolling, but I think his ideas of all humans being perfect throughout any of the series really robs it of any dramatic potential.
 
The thought of Gene trying to get Zoe Saldana on the
casting couch during her audition just seems so wrong.

YMMV.

:)
 
This is why it takes decades for artists to be recognized for their accomplishments. People still don't realize what he did. JC was the most despised person too along with a let's see Schubert, Van Goegh, etc. etc. etc.. This after the predators realize it can't be done again. Too late..
 
The odds of Roddenberry still being alive today are slim. He'd be 90, and unless he was in perfect health for a man that age, he probably would have passed away by now anyway.

That being said, even if had lived during the '90s, I think DS9, VOY, and ENT would have turned out basically the same. Towards the end of TNG, he would have been pushed aside, given the executive consultant credit again, and would have watched the development of Series III, IV, and V from the sidelines, IMO. A part of me thinks he would have officially retired by the time TNG ended anyway as he wasn't getting any younger...
 
The odds of Roddenberry still being alive today are slim. He'd be 90, and unless he was in perfect health for a man that age, he probably would have passed away by now anyway.

That being said, even if had lived during the '90s, I think DS9, VOY, and ENT would have turned out basically the same. Towards the end of TNG, he would have been pushed aside, given the executive consultant credit again, and would have watched the development of Series III, IV, and V from the sidelines, IMO. A part of me thinks he would have officially retired by the time TNG ended anyway as he wasn't getting any younger...
Probably. He always foresaw someone taking it over and even mused that the general public would think it would be even better than what he'd done.
Majel once said that GR would have been proud that someone was still producing Star Trek.
 
You got that reversed. He hoped someone would remember it as being something good at all. Unfortunately few people in power thought that nor even watched it to begin with. He forgot who he was dealing with. He was booted out of his own universe which is now just a dumb ass being led around by a stick.
 
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Gene had a vision of a future, one that truly is unlikely and, from a standpoint of creating storytelling drama, difficult and unwieldy.

But let's be clear. He had a vision.

These days, no one has a vision, and I'm talking about the same no one's that create films and TV shows. Instead of visions, we have more obscure comic books or 80's property to plunder (and, being an 80's kid, I love some of them. I'll see any film with Optimus Prime in it). and these same no one's have release dates and target demographics to think about. Sometimes, to compensate for a lack of vision, they'll over-do, and attach too much vision to one project, stuffing in as much profound gobbedly-gook it, as much half-baked philosophy, and a clear polish and sheen as they can muster, so at least we can point to one or two projects a year and declare them as "visionary".

Gene's vision was different. He really believed that mankind is a much better species then it gives itself credit for, and that we are really above the many petty things that drag us down today. Sure, he created Trek to make in the business, but he really wanted an avenue to tell stories that incorporate this vision as a backdrop. Keep note, too, that this vision was there regardless of how little money he had. His vision didn't require phyisics defying karate, or men and women flying about. It was a vision of ideas, of what mankind is really made of.

Sure, vision is not enough. Other people, like Coon and Fontana and Gerrold, reigned in his vision, and offered elements that made the every-day drama more interesting. They fleshed out the universe. But I think the greatest things they did with it came later. One was challenging the hero characters with the realization of their fallabilities and their own mortality, which is why many of the films in the 80's and 90's were so good, and then they challenged the vision itself, by stating what must be done to preserve a perfect society, and then asking what values must be given up for the sake of its preservation.

Now, I fear that Trek has become a product like everything else. The thing is people tell me it always was. I can only hope that there is still some honesty left within it.
 
Except that once you finally stip away GR's verneer, what are you left with? Corroded, convoluded corruption by those who can't do it again. TOS managed to muster up alot of drama while keeping everything else steady, clear and intact. He managed to channel, magnify, focus and unite many opposing creative forces through him.
 
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The odds of Roddenberry still being alive today are slim. He'd be 90, and unless he was in perfect health for a man that age, he probably would have passed away by now anyway.

I don't know about that, my best friends' grandpa just turned 99. Sure, he's in a retirement home, but that's irrelevant.

As to what Gene would think, no idea. Probably not much given that when he was alive, he was busying rewriting everybody's scripts on the first two shows to suit himself, IF those stories are true. I wasn't there, so I don't know.
 
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