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Spoilers What If...? discussion thread

I guess a lot of people here didn't watch any of the trailers? There were shots of the team up of Multiverse heroes/anti-heroes in them.
I watch them to a point but sometimes I like to be surprised. I didn't even know this one would be a continuation but unfortunately I couldn't get the episode to play without gleaning the title.
 
But with everything with the multiverse and such in the MCU at the moment, I was expecting this to be big and connected to the multiverse for a while, to a point where I'm expecting an announcement of Jeffrey Wright portraying the live action Watcher in a movie after this season of What If is over.
Yup, that's what I'm hoping for, too. Especially since it feels like What If...? came into existence because of the events of Loki. Would be cool to see that play out in the opposite direction, especially since everything is more interwoven now.
 
Vision one-shotting Thanos was such lazy storytelling. They needed to hit a plot point (Ultron getting the stones) for their story to work, so they went about it in the least creative way possible.

The rest of the episode was nice, though.
 
Thanos wasn't invincible. Thor nearly killed him with zero Infinity Stones. It's fine.

If Thor had gone up to Thanos and just zapped him dead effortlessly with a single blast, that would've felt like a cheat too.

Edited to add: Thinking about it a bit further, I guess it feels different because Stormbreaker was a brand new toy, so we had nothing to compare its power level against, and we'd seen Thor go through extraordinary lengths to acquire it, so the story had carefully built a sense that this new hammer was A Really Big Deal. But in this episode, it's just Vision's body, a known quantity with a power level well-established across the various films.
 
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If Thor had gone up to Thanos and just zapped him dead effortlessly with a single blast, that would've felt like a cheat too.

Edited to add: Thinking about it a bit further, I guess it feels different because Stormbreaker was a brand new toy, so we had nothing to compare its power level against, and we'd seen Thor go through extraordinary lengths to acquire it, so the story had carefully built a sense that this new hammer was A Really Big Deal. But in this episode, it's just Vision's body, a known quantity with a power level well-established across the various films.
...and with an Infinity Stone. Also, an AI mind that could make a calculation about what to do far faster than Thanos could even think about snapping his fingers. I have no issue with this moment.
 
How is that any different from regular Vision? He -already- has an Infinity Stone and AI mind.
 
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The only time Vision encountered Thanos in our universe was when he was unexpectedly revived from the dead and had no time to react because he thought he was dead.

That's the only time he faced Thanos specifically, sure, but we've seen him in action in other films and he never gave the impression of being that powerful.
 
Boy people online really get bent out of shape about the Ultron vs. Thanos scene.

I have no problem with it, absolutely none for several reasons.

First - Thor nearly kills Thanos with his new axe and i daresay that the axe is not more powerful than an Infinity Stone. Thanos saw the attack coming, shot against it with 5 Infinity Stones in his gauntlet and the ax still made it through to hit him in the chest.

Second: The Infinity Stone have to be actively used, just having them doesn't do much immediately. So the wearer is still vulnerable even if he has to be very powerful to begin with to survive having 5 stones on his body.

Third: Thanos doesn't know Ultron and probably didn't expect an immediately attack. The immediate attack by Ultron with maximum force is what sells this scene to me. If Thanos went in expecting an immediate attack and had the stones activated then i don't think Ultron woud have won, instead he was able to suckerpunch Thanos.
 
Also lets not forget in Infinity War that Vision was injured and was in no condition to fight. Which kind makes me wonder now why didn't Thanos sent the children of Thanos first to this world to retrieve the stone while he got the others. Easy answer is because it's only a half hour show and things need to be moved along here.
 
I haven't watched it in ages, but I don't recall him seeming anywhere near Vision-Ultron's level. The two sides seemed fairly evenly matched in the big fight in Civil War, with no one side dominating.

Vision is majorly holding back during the Airport battle. These are his friends, and he could kill them with a single blast from the mind stone if he wanted to.
 
Everyone is holding back at the airport.
Even though they are trading blows, it’s all a giant bluffing game to see who blinks first while trying to throw each other off their game with surprise visits by 15 year old wall crawlers and giant ant-people.
No one there was at any point trying to do real damage to their friends (not so much the airport though) up until ironically Vision missed his shot and accidentally plucked Rhodey out of the sky.
 
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