What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?

[The Wormhole]

And Remembrance of the Daleks goes back to Coal Hill school in the 60s, the same time and place the first episode was set.

Remembrance of the Daleks is one of the stories continuity minded fans really love to tear apart. There's even a special on the DVD release devoted specifically to that. Granted, as the story's writer even notes in that special, a lot of it had to do with people on set completely misinterpreting the script and presenting something completely different than intended, like the meta moment where we see a TV announcing the premiere of Doctor Who, only it's in a scene set in the morning, even though the actual episode aired in the evening.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

like the meta moment where we see a TV announcing the premiere of Doctor Who, only it's in a scene set in the morning, even though the actual episode aired in the evening.

It almost announces something, but we don't hear what. Clearly in the Doctor Who universe they had Assignment: Earth instead, which did air during mornings.

 

[The Wormhole]

It almost announces something, but we don't hear what.

Something with a title that starts with "Doctor." Though, the Lethbridge Stewart novel series had a sort of an in-universe Wormhole X-Treme like show called Doctor Omega.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Something with a title that starts with "Doctor." Though, the Lethbridge Stewart novel series had a sort of an in-universe Wormhole X-Treme like show called Doctor Omega.

That's cool, I've actually never heard that trivia before.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Data being in the Starfleet Academy Class of '78.

I rest my case.

I think you mean the Spacefleet Command Star Service Space Central Academy... uh, never mind

 

[cooleddie74]

Federated Star Command will discipline you for that when we reach Earth Base 7.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I think it's fairly consistent… (Doctor Who)

I mean, eh… not really. Doctor Who is my big show, I’m way more into it than Star Trek, but any sense of consistency in it… eh.

There are callbacks, as you mentioned, little clips and so on, but…

It’s clear from the first six years of the show that the Doctor has one heart, until in 1970 he got two.

Regeneration was originally presented as being something which was inherently part of the TARDIS, whereas later it became a natural process (and it took them 5 tries to nail it down into what we understand now).

The Daleks as originally presented originated as Dals and are seen to be a rather limited species in terms of mobility who are content to exist within one city. In their second story they are repositioned as universal conquerors. A decade later, Dals goes out of the window and they became Kaleds originally.

UNIT stories take place in the 1980s… or is it the 1970s?

Doctor Who is a sprawling mess (and I love it for that), because unlike Star Trek it wasn’t driven by one individual for the first few decades of its life. It’s a hodgepodge that fits together only if you squint at it, really hard.

These days, most fans resort to the ‘Timey Wimey’ Moffatism to handwave away the many, many inconsistencies that exist within it. I don’t think it’s comparable to Star Trek in that sense at all.

 

[BillJ]

Maybe I'm biased because Kirk is my favourite Captain, but I like seeing him in SNW. It probably helps that I like Paul Wesley as the character.

When I see Wesley as Kirk, all I can see is Jim Carrey.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

The Carey thing is an old canard I will never understand. They barely resemble each other.

 

[BillJ]

The Carey thing is an old canard I will never understand. They barely resemble each other.

It hit me the very first time I saw Wesley as Kirk. Part of it is from watching Carrey do Kirk on, In Living Color.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

It’s clear from the first six years of the show that the Doctor has one heart, until in 1970 he got two.

Regeneration was originally presented as being something which was inherently part of the TARDIS, whereas later it became a natural process (and it took them 5 tries to nail it down into what we understand now).

He doesn't really discuss his heart much in the first six seasons to my recollection, and we got like 1 line about the TARDIS being part of the regeneration process before he consistently regenerated outside for two decades.

Yeah, there are definitely inconsistencies, and yeah the Brig seems to exist 10 years out of sync with reality sometimes, but if I could get through 800 episodes without being all that bothered it can't have been that much of a mess. Granted I did kind of sleep through a few of the early ones. And Keeper of Traken.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

He doesn't really discuss his heart much in the first six seasons to my recollection, and we got like 1 line about the TARDIS being

Ian checks his heartbeat at one time (and feels nothing out of the ordinary) and then it’s referenced again as one heart in the Troughton era.

we got like 1 line about the TARDIS being part of the regeneration process before he consistently regenerated outside for two decades.

The first time it’s part of the TARDIS. The second, it’s not called regeneration at all and he has it forced on him (with a choice of faces). The third time, he has to actually join with his old Buddhist master to do it and the fourth, he has to merge with some Ill-defined future version of himself to regenerate. It’s not until 1984 that it becomes, ‘when injured, he changes’ and no outside influence is required. It took them more than 20 years to nail it down…

 

[Phoenix219]

So, as a purist, when I finally watch it, I will want to stop some time in the 80s, then.

I have watched some episodes of the first season from a torrent about ten years ago. It was... charming, but I kept falling asleep.

 

[Farscape One]

He's been in what? Three? Four episodes? And only one as "crew" but that was an alternate reality.

3 or 4 episodes doesn't sound like a lot...

Until you factor in there are only 20 episodes of SNW. (And really, out of 11, because he first appears in the season 1 finale. Which makes it even more ludicrous Kirk is in SNW at all.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

3 or 4 episodes doesn't sound like a lot...

Until you factor in there are only 20 episodes of SNW. (And really, out of 11, because he first appears in the season 1 finale. Which makes it even more ludicrous Kirk is in SNW at all.)

Not really. He's a reoccurring character and they made good use of him.

 

[Farscape One]

Not really. He's a reoccurring character and they made good use of him.

Recurring, yes. Good use? That's debatable.

(And I say this as someone who loves SNW.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

Recurring, yes. Good use? That's debatable.

(And I say this as someone who loves SNW.)

Liked every episode he was in.

 

[Tosk]

I have liked the episodes Kirk was in. But all of them could have functioned just as well with someone else in his place.

 

[Phoenix219]

I have liked the episodes Kirk was in. But all of them could have functioned just as well with someone else in his place.

should have been gary. sam could even have messed with him over being jim's friend. as a ladies man, the plot with the khan descendant would have still worked too.

 

[Damian]

yup. i wanted to see more of the (either pilot) bridge crew; so many undeveloped backgroudn characters to choose from. jose tyler, lee kelso, lt alden, dr boyce and piper, yeomon colt or smith, maybe even gary mitchell..... plus barely-seens like pitcairn and garison and fisher.

I agree. I don't expect every single character from "The Cage" to appear, but it would have been nice to see maybe 2 or 3 additional characters retained and developed further. SNW takes place around the mid point between "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and it just seems very skewed towards the Kirk era for crew. Like did Kirk pick any of his own crew to come aboard with him other than Mitchell? It seems now most of his crew were already there.

It almost seems like the showrunners really wanted to do a series about Kirk's era but settled on populating SNW with Kirk era characters instead. I don't mind a little fan service, but honestly SNW got a little out of hand I think with the characters. I enjoy the show for the most part but that is something that really bothered me about the show.

I'd have preferred to see maybe the 2 or 3 additional "The Cage" characters in addition to Number 1 and Spock, maybe 1 or 2 Kirk era characters coming on board, and then mix in some new characters as well. Something more balanced.