What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?

[tomalak301]

I'm growing to dislike the word nostalgia lately, as I feel like it's being used to diminish the effect that stories have on people, whether the story is 60 years old, 20 years old, or brand new.

I mean, I've been watching a lot of reaction videos lately and I've noticed people having similar responses to the appearance of things that they were first introduced to maybe 6 months ago. People don't just react to the return of the Enterprise because it reminds them of their carefree childhood, they react because IT'S THE ENTERPRISE. We love the Enterprise!

I'm confused. I'm not allowed to use the word nostalgia to describe my feelings over something I saw as a child? I grew up with TNG, and I was 10 years old when the ship crash landed on Varidien III. Isn't seeing something on screen the same as seeing an art exhibit or something similar? I'm always being told that Art is interpreted as how you feel and the emotions that come with seeing a painting or whatever.

I don't think nostalgia diminishes stories at all, but they enhance the story. If I wasn't a fan of TNG and came in to the franchise maybe around Voyager or Enterprise, Season 3 of picard would have not had that much of an impact. Hell, I saw the original series movies before I saw the series and my reaction to the series was "It's ok". I like the movies better, as well as the characterization in the movies, especially with characters like Uhura and McCoy and especially Scotty.

 

[HotRod]

I got emotional when the Enterprise D appeared again for the first time in 29 years. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

Even people who didn't like PIC thought that was a beautiful moment. It made the harshest critics fanboys, if just for one moment.

The Enterprise is a character, and I get moved by her, too. Seeing the tour in TMP of the refit Enterprise, for example... simply gorgeous and felt good.

Seeing the Entetprise-D in PICARD season 3... gave me a wonderful feeling.

I wasn't a fan of the season or much of a fan of the ship, but even I got emotional seeing the Enterprise-D. It's an Enterprise we've all spent a lot of time with. I don't know how anyone could see it and not feel atleast something.

Hell, These are the Voyages is a steaming pile of hot garbage, but I'll still skip to the end montage every once and awhile, just to see The Enterprises. Those ships can still elicit an emotional response from me, just at the sight of them.

 

[cooleddie74]

The final minutes of "TATV...(ENT)" are sublime. I just wish the preceding 40 hadn't been a mixture of meh and WTAF.

 

[Farscape One]

That last voiceover and shots of various Enterprises are the only reason "THESE ARE THE VOYAGES..." is not THE worst episode of ENT... but it is the second worst. ("PRECIOUS CARGO" is the actual worst, in my opinion... I can't find a single redeeming quality to defend it.)

 

[fireproof78]

I wonder if there are any studies on the effects of nostalgia on the human brain?

Maybe a follow up one on inanimate object attachment.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm confused. I'm not allowed to use the word nostalgia to describe my feelings over something I saw as a child? I grew up with TNG, and I was 10 years old when the ship crash landed on Varidien III. Isn't seeing something on screen the same as seeing an art exhibit or something similar? I'm always being told that Art is interpreted as how you feel and the emotions that come with seeing a painting or whatever.

I don't think nostalgia diminishes stories at all, but they enhance the story. If I wasn't a fan of TNG and came in to the franchise maybe around Voyager or Enterprise, Season 3 of picard would have not had that much of an impact. Hell, I saw the original series movies before I saw the series and my reaction to the series was "It's ok". I like the movies better, as well as the characterization in the movies, especially with characters like Uhura and McCoy and especially Scotty.

Sorry, I mean the concept of nostalgia is fine. No issues with anything you just said.

But I keep seeing people using nostalgia in the 'sentimental yearning for a past period or something long gone' sense to explain why people would care about Next Generation characters, or Wolverine's yellow costume, or continuity etc. in 2024, and I feel like they're missing the mark. They're overcomplicating the equation by adding time to it. Or absence, I should say.

Sure people become more fond of things with additional exposure, someone who's seen all of TOS is going to have a different experience of the Motion Picture than someone going in fresh, but they didn't need to have seen the show two decades ago when they were 12 to love getting the characters back.

Like, the Star Wars: Rebels stuff in The Mandalorian was bouncing off me, I didn't get it. So I paused the show so I could watch the cartoon and when I came back I was 100% on board. In fact, I was hyped for Ahsoka as well. I wasn't nostalgic for those episodes I saw a month ago, I was invested in the setting and characters and the story threads. And once I care about a story like that, it doesn't change with time. I'm still waiting for a resolution to that Stargate Universe cliffhanger, the fact it happened 15 years ago doesn't matter one way or the other to me.

 

[tomalak301]

I'm still waiting for a resolution to that Stargate Universe cliffhanger, the fact it happened 15 years ago doesn't matter one way or the other to me.

Interesting you brought up Stargate Universe because I just finished a rewatch of that series and I feel the exact way you do. I want to know what happened to the Destiny and the crew. I'm actually surprised Universe didn't last as long, considering it came out just as the story arc concept was really taking off.

 

[tomalak301]

The final minutes of "TATV...(ENT)" are sublime. I just wish the preceding 40 hadn't been a mixture of meh and WTAF.

I forgot all about TATV and it's not my least favorite episode of the series. I guess considering that came out in 2005, it was the end of the Berman era and I had seen other Galaxy Class Starships in DS9. Them bringing back the Enterprise 18 years later did resonate differently.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[Commander Troi]

Honestly, reading all of this, I've come to the conclusion that there is literally NOTHING the showrunners (any of them) could have done or avoided or changed or not changed that wouldn't have pissed off SOME segment(s) of fandom. It's simply impossible.

 

[fireproof78]

Honestly, reading all of this, I've come to the conclusion that there is literally NOTHING the showrunners (any of them) could have done or avoided or changed or not changed that wouldn't have pissed off SOME segment(s) of fandom. It's simply impossible.

At this point I honestly believe that some segments want to be pissed off.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Honestly, reading all of this, I've come to the conclusion that there is literally NOTHING the showrunners (any of them) could have done or avoided or changed or not changed that wouldn't have pissed off SOME segment(s) of fandom. It's simply impossible.

Lower Decks has never done anything to make anyone angry or even moderately disappointed.

*Except for the Koala

 

[fireproof78]

Lower Decks has never done anything to make anyone angry or even moderately disappointed.

*Except for the Koala

Bullshit.

 

[BillJ]

Honestly, reading all of this, I've come to the conclusion that there is literally NOTHING the showrunners (any of them) could have done or avoided or changed or not changed that wouldn't have pissed off SOME segment(s) of fandom. It's simply impossible.

I think I really knew all it would be was nostalgia porn when they wheeled Kirk out for SNW. There was zero story need for Kirk and “The Menagerie” stated Kirk met Pike when he took command of the Enterprise.

Why should I care about continuity or it being “Prime” when the people running the show clearly don’t?

I used to joke, “Do you remember X? So do we!!!”. But now? From my perspective it is kinda sad.

I want to be inspired by new Star Trek, not constantly reminded that there is much better, more original Trek out there.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Each subsequent show commits the cardinal sin: They introduce new uniform and shuttle designs.

 

[1001001]

At this point I honestly believe that some segments want to be pissed off.

Exhibit A

Bullshit.

 

[fireproof78]

Exhibit A

Mere observation

 

[fireproof78]

Why should I care about continuity or it being “Prime” when the people running the show clearly don’t?

Because that's always been the way?

 

[BillJ]

Because that's always been the way?

They never really sold it as one package before, and TOS was more of an anthology.

Just weird to watch people defend the corporate line with such glee.

 

[fireproof78]

They never really sold it as one package before, and TOS was more of an anthology.

Just weird to watch people defend the corporate line with such glee.

Why not? A lot was put in to Gene's vision too. That became as corporate as anything else.