I will say Mount was a good casting get...
BTW, have you ever read the late 90's Marvel Comics run of Star Trek: Early Voyages? Now that's a great post-"The Cage" take on Pike's Enterprise.
What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?
- Thread starter Ray Hardgrit
- Start date
BTW, have you ever read the late 90's Marvel Comics run of Star Trek: Early Voyages? Now that's a great post-"The Cage" take on Pike's Enterprise.
I remember posting a long time ago, that the creators should've just said, "it's Star Trek", and encouraged the fans to treat it in whatever manner they saw fit. That they were simply there to tell the best stories possible.
I have the collected IDW version of the series. It was good stuff.
I love SNW. But I’m in to in to be entertained. I get that some people love the connective tissue and what SNW does might be a step too far. I don’t see that. I don’t care. Canon in my opinion is not that important. I love the characters. I love the stories. I love the boldness it’s managed to bring in 20 episodes. It (and LDS) has brought back an element that is often sorely missing from Trek: Fun. Yes, 100% there are a lot of winks to the audience. Yeah, I can be told I’m hypocritical for liking this and not liking Picard season3. It’s a feeling. And I can’t explain why I like it except to say that I do.
That doesn’t make me less of a Trek fan. It makes me a different Trek fan. And that’s okay.
That doesn’t make me less of a Trek fan. It makes me a different Trek fan. And that’s okay.
It shouldn't be, you're absolutely right. My gripe is more with how CBS choose to sell this new version of the universe. And, repeated it so often that any time you bring up that you see it differently, people come howling with, "but CBS says!!!"
That’s fair. And my response to you when you suggest that Kurtzman’s era is an alternate universe has always been “Whatever helps you sleep at night.” Truth is: I can see both sides. And I just can’t be bothered to care about that particular argument.
I was never keen on this whole whole notion of "Temporal Cold War" introduced by ENT. But it does allow a hand-wavy in-universe "explanation" for things not lining up exactly with the way we knew them from previous Trek productions. And now 20 years later, SNW does exactly that, specifically bringing up "temporal wars" in connection with key events being pushed ahead in the timeline.
"Space Seed" had lumped the Eugenics Wars with Earth's "last so-called World War" in the 1990s, but then this connection was never brought up again, even in First Contact which had World War III ending some time in the early 2050s although the Eugenics Wars apparently still happened in the '90s. SNW put them back together again, in the mid-21st century.
Even prior to the S2 "Tomorrow etc." episode, SNW already pushed the Eugenics Wars into some time in the 21st century back in S1. As mentioned there was the footage of unrest on Earth starting in the 2020s, with Pike stating that this led to a second Civil War (US or World?), which came to be called the Eugenics Wars, and finally World War III; apparently a protracted period of conflicts going on for 20+ years.
Kor
"Space Seed" had lumped the Eugenics Wars with Earth's "last so-called World War" in the 1990s, but then this connection was never brought up again, even in First Contact which had World War III ending some time in the early 2050s although the Eugenics Wars apparently still happened in the '90s. SNW put them back together again, in the mid-21st century.
Even prior to the S2 "Tomorrow etc." episode, SNW already pushed the Eugenics Wars into some time in the 21st century back in S1. As mentioned there was the footage of unrest on Earth starting in the 2020s, with Pike stating that this led to a second Civil War (US or World?), which came to be called the Eugenics Wars, and finally World War III; apparently a protracted period of conflicts going on for 20+ years.
Kor
SNW just feels like a show written with hindsight as its principal guiding force. We know what is going to happen later in the series, so they shoehorn in those details so they can come off as clever for setting them up. Half of season 2's final is just a remake of Balance of Terror with time-travel shenanigans thrown in.
I can absolutely get behind this. I like both shows, for different reasons and both are absolutely entertaining… SNW Season 2 was fantastic.
I think aside from the Lotus Eaters episode in SNW S02 (which I thought was a little undercooked and needed another script draft), that every episode was a winner.
But there is that fan-side of me that does like the connective tissue. Now, I don’t feel any sense of bother when watching the episodes. I enjoy it all as what it is.
It’s when creatives start insisting that SNW is ‘Prime’ whilst simultaneously running roughshod over what went before with some lame excuse about ‘not being beholden to canon’ and ‘letting the story come first’.
If they don’t want to be beholden to anything, alternate timeline is the way to go. But they are just too timid to outright state it. So we have this weird fence sitting situation, wherein they feel the need to alter stuff whilst hedging their bets and saying it’s all the same thing.
And if they did decide to do that, great! Won’t affect my enjoyment of the series at all. Shitty scripts would. But not a decision like that.
I think… I’d say it doesn’t affect my enjoyment of the shows. It doesn’t.
It just niggles me, as an act of creative cowardice more than anything.
"What has New Star Trek done THIS TIME?" I don't know. I ignore series I'm not into. My level of interest is back to where it was before Discovery.
Re-watching DS9 has been a blast.
Re-watching DS9 has been a blast.
Sure. I get that.
There are those out there who it would. That perplexes me at the end of the day.
ENT- The augment virus. The DS9 joke was fine. Should have left things well enough alone. This was sort of the vanguard of having to "explain" things that bug fans.
PIC- All of season three. Horrible on every level. Connect the dots writing, gratuitous fan service, unsurprising twists and unengaging, unoriginal stereotypical characters.
PIC- All of season three. Horrible on every level. Connect the dots writing, gratuitous fan service, unsurprising twists and unengaging, unoriginal stereotypical characters.
I had to butt out of a lot of SNW discussions as episodes aired because folks were decrying episodes as the worst Star Trek ever, but then saying that they’d give it 2/10 rather than 1/10 because of reasons like:
A) An old sound effect being used.
B) A character mentioning something or someone from an old episode.
C) A musical cue resembling an old musical cue.
I find that utterly perplexing. People like that just don’t consume entertainment in the same way that I do.
Pfffsh, the filmed pilot went off the rails. The One And Only True Star Trek® is about the S.S. Yorktown (none of that "USS" stuff, thankyouverymuch) with the "skipper" Captain Robert M. April and the "probably half Martian" Mr. Spock with the Satanic face and reddish complexion. The best episodes by far were "A Question of Cannibalism" and "To Skin a Tyrannosaurus."
Kor
“The Cage” was shite in comparison to that document! And I reject all else! April is my Captain!
I liked Star Trek better when it was called "Forbidden Planet"
Miranda time!
I believe the pejorative term for that specific one is "key jangling"
Similar threads
- Locked
