What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?

Of course not, that would be stupid. I LOVE the TOS Enterprise and would never want it replaced from any existing scenes. I just understand that BOTH designs can be the same ship.
Multiple Time-Line incarnations of the same thing are allowed to exist, then we can all be happy thanks to the Multi-verse & Parallel Universes.


The emphasis of complaints always seems to come down to aesthetics. And I've seen that first hand when people complained over the "too dark" plot due to drug use, then a fan film uses the TOS aesthetic and shows Pike as an alcoholic and that's "True Trek!"

Yeah, sorry, the focus always seems to be on things that are not as important to me.
But that doesn't discount the fact that it seems to be important to many other fans.


No but they tried to connect Keaton and Kilmer and Clooney.
The DC Multiverse allows every incarnation of Batman in all media to co-exist happily and do cross-overs.

Hell, we got to see "Kevin Conroy" who portrayed Bruce Wayne from "Batman: TAS (The Animated Series)" in Live-Action fairly recently as Batman of Earth-99.

It was awesome to see him as a IRL Bruce Wayne and part of the Arrow-verse / Live-Action DC Multi-verse in the "Crisis on Infinite Earth's Mega Cross-Over".


Moved by a set piece?
But you have different ways of reacting, doesn't mean other people's way of reacting isn't as valid.


I suppose so. Characters move me more.
Both are of Equal Value to me.


It can't be fully quantified and that drives bean counters nuts because it's possible, to quote Lucas, to "mess this up and to make no money." He was commenting to Frank Oz on the set of The Phantom Menace at the time. This idea that one thing, the costume, is the only thing is absurd, but it can't be completely ignored either.
I'm glad it can't be fully "Quantified", that would be so boring if it could. Not everything in life needs to be quantified.


I got emotional when the Enterprise D appeared again for the first time in 29 years. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
Me too! I LOVED it when the Enterprise-D came in to save the day.
Hurray for Commodore Geordi La Forge and the pull he has to restore the Enterprise-D.


Humans are absurd creatures.
True, but they can also be wonderful creatures at the same time.


The Enterprise is a character, and I get moved by her, too. Seeing the tour in TMP of the refit Enterprise, for example... simply gorgeous and felt good.

Seeing the Entetprise-D in PICARD season 3... gave me a wonderful feeling.
I 100% agree!
 
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But that doesn't discount the fact that it seems to be important to many other fans
It's ridiculous to me that it takes away from enjoyment. I won't ever be shy about my opinion on that focus.
The DC Multiverse allows every incarnation of Batman in all media to co-exist happily and do cross-overs.
Except, it's meant to be the same. Same Alfred, same costumes of Riddler and Two Face in Arkham Asylum.
 
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T&T&T tells us that the 1996 version NEVER happened, and that this one, did, instead.
That automatically implies that SNW takes place in a different timeline than the TOS Timeline that continues into the Berman/Braga era.

Which is automatically fine by me if they can all co-exist in seperate timelines.

Same with the Kelvin-verse being spun off, why can't DISCO + SNW be a spin-off universe due to Time-Travel shenanigans, we can blame the Romulans for creating a split timeline in the grand Star Trek Multi-verse.

Then everybody can have their cake & eat it too.

We don't have to trample over each others continuity.


It's ridiculous to me. I won't ever be shy about my opinion on that focus.
That's fine, I don't expect you to be shy, or want you to stop expressing yourself.

But you do have to understand that it's important to alot of other fans.

And they think your opinion might be equally ridiculous as well.

That's the beauty of life and having different opinions, we can all co-exist in the same fandom and still have equal validity in how we enjoy Star Trek.


Except, it's meant to be the same. Same Alfred, same costumes of Riddler and Two Face in Arkham Asylum.
Depends on the incarnation, some are following the same continuity, some are part of a new continuity / universe / timeline.

All have the same fundamental characters, but the details will differ.
 
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Who said it wasn't?

I find completely baffling and can't parse it well.
That's a "You Issue", I guess you haven't encountered enough of those types of fans IRL.


I just picture Robert April as looking exactly the same in both SNW and TAS. Sure, he's white in animation and black in live action but it's literally the same man. I just imagine everyone in both series see him the same way. The "James Bond effect."
It doesn't bother me.

Somewhere in his ancestral lineage, his parents might've married different people, ergo the change in ethnicity.

The fundamental person is roughly the same, but that's fine.

Changes in previous history might have a child end up looking drastically different with different ethnic background, ergo different skin color.

It's not a big deal IMO.
 
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The bridge in TOS is pretty much the same bridge as in SNW, just a slightly smaller module installed after the events of the current streaming series. And Starfleet changes uniforms every time some Admiral in the Quartermaster division scratches their rear end, so yeah, the shirts have ribbed necks again in 2265.
I'm not a fan of the "Frequent Uniform Changes".

But that's my opinion, I would prefer longer stretches of staying in one uniform before any changes.
 
Somehow Starfleet stuck with one variation or another of the Monster Maroon for 71 years. Why they can't do that in any other time period is beyond me, but that's how it goes
Did you like the Monster Maroons?

I think they were fine for the era.

Especially since early StarFleet right before the UFP was formed and right after was primarily Blue Jump-Suits.

Then they moved into having Red as the Primary Color.

Then in the TNG era, Black was the dominant Suit color.

Then in the 31st century, Grey became the dominant color for some odd reason.


The only really bad decision is making Burnham Spock’s adoptive sister. That was a bad move.
Not really, IMO, in the original timeline, she might have not survived into adulthood and died at a young age.

In the DISCO timeline, she survives and we get to see her.

For some reason Sarek adopts a few children along with having Spock.

We didn't know about Sybok, heck Kirk didn't know about Sybok until he was introduced in the movie.

So it really doesn't bother me since IMO, DISCO is a spin-off timeline from the Berman-era Timeline.

And that's fine, Michael Burnham has a major impact on the Universe, so be it.


I never thought the Star Wars holograms as impressive and more just meant as something to differentiate the setting and make it different.
Star Wars holograms suck compared to Star Trek level holograms.
 
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^also, it occurs to me that those 'earth 2 scientists' almost succeeded. Their goal was, after all, to slow aging to 'only a month for every 100 years'. Seems they actually achieved that with the kids, the only hitch being that after puberty the virus (or whatever it was) became lethal. But it certainly sounds like a technique that more advanced 23rd century medicine could possibly perfect. Yet another (near) immortality recipe we never hear anything from again.

Interesting that another paralle Eath
It's ridiculous to me that it takes away from enjoyment. I won't ever be shy about my opinion on that focus.

Except, it's meant to be the same. Same Alfred, same costumes of Riddler and Two Face in Arkham Asylum.

That is actually the opposite of true. The DC multiverse allows all completely different versions of the same character that are never supposed to be the same and have completely different personalities backgrounds upbringing supporting casts and rogue galleries to continue to exist. Sometimes they even have different lineages altogether. They're all treated as distinct characters and are not interchangeable in any way. That would be an acceptable way for truck to do it as well but they do the opposite and stay it doesn't matter how different it is they are all the same single thing.
 
But for a Sci-Fi universe, Star Wars technology / Holograms don't seem to advance, no matter the era.
Because it's not sci-fi or meant to advance. It's fantasy.

Different fans have different levels of what they consider the absurd line.
My level of what I consider absurd is in a different location.
Yes.

And it surprises me where the lines get drawn.
 
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